Taking a Break
We wanted to let you all know that this will be our last blog post, at least for now. Our funding has run out, so we will be taking a break. We want to make it clear that this is in no way an admission of defeat, we’ve had some spectacular successes and it is clear that the religious right is on the run! Thanks to all of you, we’ve been able to fight the teaching of creationism in public schools, fight for stem cell research, run national ads showing Jack Abramaoff’s ties to religious right leaders, and in general shed an important light on the hypocrisy of the religious right. We’re going to leave the thread open for a few weeks so that you all can make connections. We really value this community, and hope to reconnect with you all sometime in the future. Thank you for all you’ve done to help in the fight to defend our Constitution.
That’s too bad. Maybe I can sell a few aluminum cans to help out.
Dale,
You got my email address, and I’ve got yours. Keep me posted as to the blogs that you are visiting and if there is anything interesting that comes up. I’ve made the effort to respect the fact that you told me that you don’t like to receive a bunch of email, but if I ever come across something really interesting I’ll update you. I’ve been visiting several of the scienceblogs, and I also keep up with things that are occuring over at the Panda’s Thumb, at Thinkprogress.org, and at the Americans United blog. I post under the name “Engr Tony”, however, I’ve really been busy lately and cannot post as often as I’d like to.
To Albatross, Don, Alex, Yahweh, and others; I’ve enjoyed the commentary and hope to see any of you posting at some of those sites that I visit. If any of you have swapped emails with Dale, you can contact him regarding my email address.
To Eliza and DefCon: I’ll still be checking back to see if things sort themselves out.
Best to all,
Tony
Tony-
Please email me with pertinent info. I’ll be back to you. That’s why we built our “short list!.”
These events will help us to evolve into better representatives of our cause! I can say that I, and anyone who has been paying attention, has a lot of good information to carry on into the future, thanks to you ALL.
We want to make it clear that this is in no way an admission of defeat… hahaha VICTORY.
Taking a Break (because we’re broke and broken)
We wanted to let you all know that this will be our last blog post(hahaha),
at least for now.(meaning forever) Our funding has run out, (because defcom is out of the mainstream so badly that no one will support this foolishness) so we will be taking a break.( because we’re broke)
We want to make it clear that this is in no way an admission of defeat,
(Ok, it really is an admission of defeat,but we are trying to save face.) we’ve had some spectacular successes(for example, aahhh, hmm, I’ll get back to you, later) and it is clear that the religious right is on the run!(and soon they’ll be running the country)
Thanks to all of you especially bill from defcon, we’ve been able to fight the teaching of scientific creationism in public schools, fight for (killing the unborn for spare parts), run national ads (Lying about) Jack Abramaoff’s ties to religious right leaders, and in general smear crap and misrepresent the sincerity of the religious right. We’re going to leave the thread open for a few weeks so that you losers can all make connections. Or get a live they normal people. We never really valued this community, and it’s hopeless for us to reconnect with you sometime in the future. Thank you for all you’ve done to help in the fight to attack our Constitution.
At least it’s not too late to say that bile is an utterly despicable example of the hypocrisy of the right-wing, religious bigots that slink around trying to inject their mythology wherever they think they can impose their shallow, superstitious tripe. He and is ilk will NEVER have the last laugh. They know they are doomed. That’s why they continuously stoop to the underhanded tactics of disruption. bile is the anti-christ. No manners, no respect, no sense and no decency, no intelligence…nothing - void - empty - wasted.
He will have to live with himself for the rest of his life and I will never have to see another word he types.
VICTORY
Everyone else — it’s been a real pleasure. Enjoy your life.
He and is ilk will NEVER have the last laugh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dale claimed just the other day that BILL would never bring defcon down, and I’ve NOT. you folks have shot yourselves in both feet a knee and an elbow.
hahaha
Heartless, chithead, don, lynne, daliar, remember everything was okay until doorknob came back.
in case you had trouble reading this,
Taking a Break (because we’re broke and broken)
We wanted to let you all know that this will be our last blog post(hahaha),
at least for now.(meaning forever) Our funding has run out,
(because defcom is out of the mainstream so badly that no one will support this foolishness)
so we will be taking a break.( because we’re broke)
We want to make it clear that this is in no way an admission of defeat,
(Ok, it really is an admission of defeat,but we are trying to save face.) we’ve had some spectacular successes(for example,
aahhh, hmm, I’ll get back to you, later) and it is clear that the religious right is on
the run!(and soon they’ll be running the country)
Thanks to all of you especially bill from defcon,
we’ve been able to fight the teaching of scientific creationism in public schools,
fight for (killing the unborn for spare parts),
run national ads (Lying about) Jack Abramaoff’s ties to religious right leaders,
and in general smear crap and misrepresent the sincerity of the religious right.
We’re going to leave the thread open for a few weeks so that you losers can all make connections.
Or get a live they normal people. We never really valued this community, and
it’s hopeless for us to reconnect with you sometime in the future.
Thank you, for all you’ve done to help in the fight to attack our Constitution.
Elizabeth S
ONly a pea-brain like bile would think that typing hahahahahahahahaha would constitute a last laugh. Laugh it up, yuckster….you’re going to
choke on your words someday. You and your myth are doomed to the dusty corners of the once-was. Raca.
PS chithead, I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
PS chithead, I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
PS chithead, I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
PS chithead, I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
PS chithead, I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
To all those on the “dales shortlist.”
I’ll send word on where we can gather to do further damage to the you-know- who!
Later!
One good place to meet up is at American’s United for Separation of Church and State. They are kicking some ass!
Dale, Alba, Tony, C.T., and all other supporters of the cause - it’s been a pleasure and an honor. Best regards always. Dale, you have my email. Please send me yours again.
Thanks, Alex. Good health and success to you.
Right back at you Alex, and everyone else. Well, almost everyone else.
It has been almost one year to the day since I started posting here, and I can tell you all, I’m going to miss
the exchange of conversation. It has been enlightening, educating, and downright hysterical at times.
Dale, you have my email; I also sent you one today. I’ll be looking for you all at AU, and I trust that we can all
exchange some other good gathering places…through the private channels, of course!
:-( .
C.T. did Dale also get your email?
20 :
could some one leave a link to au? hahaha
http://blog.au.org/
Hey, this should be fun. hahaha
Alba - no…what do you suggest?
I think you were away. When Clark first left, we were wondering what was happening because there were no
new threads being posted. Dale set up a temp address, and collected all of our addresses, so that we could
continue to communicate with each other, share common interest sites, etc.
well, how do I get my email to dale w/o nosey sons o’ bitches pissing me off?
Maybe he can set up another one, so you can get an address to him. It would be great to be able to stay in touch with most
. I’ll pass them along to Dale, I’m sure we’ll
who post here. How long do you suppose before this blog goes down?
There are a few sites I’m checking out now, that I think I can sink my teeth into
all have some great suggestions.
Bilbo, AU will tolerate your shit for about a minute and a half, then you’ll be history!!
What he did was set up a temp, left it posted for a while then deleted it. If there was anyone who was unwelcome, Dale
deleted them, or they never got the temp address to begin with.
Do you think the blog will go down right away, or will they leave it running for a few days? I think Dale got pretty much
everyone except for the troll of course. Maybe you were on vacation? I can’t imagine how you missed it. Where were
you when Clark left?
Maybe I’ll just see y’all over at AU or PUFSoC&S.
Check in tomorrow. Maybe Dale will create a new one, so he can add you to the list…
k
bonn nuit and good luck
CT,
Please check in over at AU. Use the same handle ,CT, and I always go by dale.
In a few days I will get up a temp Email address or something and we will go from there.
I suggest we use te latest blog at AU as a contact point until we find a new home, but AU is doing
a great job right now and will probably accept us on refugee status!!!!
Hey kids!
Maybe a better Idea is to meet up, especially in the short term is over at vjack’s Blog.
Most of you remember him from his great posts here in the past. His site is, of course, his own, and he is a known quantity with paralell
views on most subjects. vjack is a smart cookie and very logical and he is the sole owner of his blog, which is nice in ways that I don’t want to expound on just now.
I have posted a comment on his latest thread that reads:
“VJACK,
Hello! This is dale from over at DefCon. It was always good seeing you there but as you have probably heard, they are shutting down
the blog for the foreseeable future.
You are doing a great job here ,as usual.
I would like to ask you if you would mind a few of us historical DefCon supporters/ contributors using your blog as a new gathering/ info sharing site?
People end up scattering into the wind but we would like to find a sympathetic site to exchange links/ info on protecting the first ammendment
and opposing the Religious Right.
We promise to behave!
Thanks for your consideration on this,
dale”
Of course one of the most important national organizations is AU and I plan to continue to support them also.
Eliza has said that this site will stay open for a “few weeks,” which means possibly three weeks to me, but now that the decision has been
made to shut down, they could pull the plug as directed, at any time.
Please acknoledge and let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
I’ll let you know what I hear back from vjack.
I love that VJ ya’ know!
November 21st, 2007 at 9:05 am
dale Says:
Hey kids!
How condescending??? Dalebow calls you Kids exhibiting his superiority over ALL of you his little people.
Little children who must be told when to crap, either that or he’s calling you goats?? HAHAHA
Albatross Says:
Check in tomorrow. Maybe Dale will create a new one,” …because none of us can think for ourselves.
I don’t need to have the LAST laugh, but I will have the best.
By the way, vjack has a PhD in psychology. He writing style is entertaining and very readable.
You can learn a bit more about him by selecting the link on the right side bar, “How did you become an atheist?”
Although he is an atheist, he is not anti-religious. He does share our concern with the activities of the RRR.
AU’s Policy On Commenting
1. No threatening language, cursing, violence or personal attacks.
4. Please try to post responsibly, respecting the opinions of others.
The commenting forum is intended for the exchange of relevant insights and discussion, and should be used as such.
http://blog.au.org/2007/11/20/unplug-the-christmas-tree-tv-preacher-robertson-says-familiar-holiday-symbol-isnt-worth-the-fuss/comments/
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Heartless and friends, looks like you’re the ones who need to worry about being allowed to blog on AU.
Real DefCon contributors are all kids, ready and willing to learn and gain new experience!
I am merely an average guy with a love of learning and aknack for logic. hehe.
ahem, bill. We have all made many posts at AU. Don’t be silly.
Now on a more serious note, with Thanksgiving around the corner, I ask you all to please SHIT (Stop Hurting Innocent Turkeys.)
You can send donations to the National SHIT HQ, my new non-profit organization through which I have set my salary
at $175,000/ year, a pittance I might add, for the valuable work I am doing. The board of directors, my wife, sons, and daughters, have ok’ed that salary
and have awarded themselves consultaion fees of $85,000/ year/ each.
But, as a public sevice, If you insist on actually hurting a turkey and eating it, please be careful after it has thawed.
DO NOT PUT YOU HAND IN THE BODY Cavity without first checking for giblet snakes.
As the turkey thaws, they may come back to life.
To make sure this does not happen, impale a frog or a salamander on the meat fork and hold it close to the entrnce to the body cavity.
That will entice any giblet snakes to stick their heads out where you can decapitate them with the carving knife.
If you are bitten by the giblet snake it will introduce salmonella into your bloodstream and they will grow into bigger salmon in your stomach
and swim up your esophagus and come flying out of your mouth. We don’t want to see that happen!
I hope you ALL have a great time with family and friends and remember that it is not what we have, but what we enjoy that provides our abundance!
Wow! This is priceless.
Hey Bill, this reminds me of a scripture passage.
Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain.
Psalm 127:1-3
Ack! Blog going down? Ran out of funding? Noooooooooooo! DefCon is too damn valuable to disappear.
Dale, I’ll do whatever I can to help.
vjack,
Good to see you! I’m sure the Tides foundation merely has other irons in the fire just now.
It will be interesting to see if/ when they bring the blog back.
Thanks for your offer of help and get ready for the DefCon refugees to be contributing to your blog.
Keep up your great work!
” SMALL minds TALK about people.
AVERAGE minds TALK about events.
GREAT minds DISCUSS ideas.”
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It has been an honor and privilege to DISCUSS ideas with most of you here. I look forward to doing so en futuro : ”
…thither let us reason together…”
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(SMALL minds TALK about je-zeus.
AVERAGE minds TALK about crucifixtions.
GREAT minds DISCUSS INHERENT and FUNDAMENTAL IDEAS such as LIBERTY, FREEDOM. EQUALITY , JUSTICE, The CONSTITUTION, etc.)
(Don’t ANYONE tell you know who the new site to which we are converting DECONBLOG)
yahweh,
I am certain, DefCon is the ONLY blog which will accept, with extreme tolerance, the BS with which
the trolls here have blessed us.
Does Dale have your email? I would hate to lose with all the folks who have contributed here.
LYNNE! Where are you?
yes Alba , Dale has my address. I look forward to conversing with you and other enlightened persons at other sites.
I have always found that when one door closes, many new doors/ opportunities swing open…….
Please email me with pertinent info. I’ll be back to you. That’s why we built our “short list!.”
Dale, I sent you an email message yesterday. It will be good to confirm that your email address has not changed.
I’ll also check out vjack’s blog, so long as he does not mind a theist like myself commenting! All kidding aside, all who know me here know
that I’m not the self-righteous, proselytizing/evangelizing type. Facts are facts, and I’m always open to learning something new.
Besides DefCon, I like keeping informed and commenting on several other blogs. I’ve been posting as “Engr Tony” over at AU’s blog, over at
Thinkprogress.org and on several of the ScienceBlogs (particularly at Dispatches from the Culture Wars, The Questionable Authority,
Evolutionblog, and at Pharyngula to name a few. I also post as “Tony” over at Panda’s Thumb and on a few of the discussion blogs on
some of the newspapers in my home state (I believe that Albatross has seen me there once).
Everyone is aware that the nitwit who will now need to change his moniker, will most likely continue his
stalking measures, and follow us? It appears that we have become an integral part of his life. “Funny, that.”
Glad to hear that yahweh. Same here.
All (of course) are free to their own thoughts, but I am choosing to end every post with a quote from one of
the founders. This so DefCon can go out truly representing why we have all come to gather, and acquaint ourselves.
Tony, I look forward to seeing you. You have always been one who I respect tremendously - quite able to share your
beliefs, without imposing them on any other. (PS - I love Dispatches from the Culture Wars, though I’ve never posted there.)
Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by
private as well as public reasons. And why subject it to coercion? To produce uniformity. But is uniformity of opinion
desirable? No more than of face and stature.
– Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
I see that bill is already making a nuisance of himself over at AU’s blog (ie. on the blog entry regarding Christmas Trees); he appears
to be attempting to pass himself off as an official member of DefCon’s organization.
It will be interesting to see how this sorts itself out.
Tony,
I responded. Have another one coming soon.
It’s funny. Your name is exactly the same as my six grade teacher- he taught us to play chess.
I am shotgunning an email to all the “faithful” so you will all have each others addresses and can go on to lay our devious plot! hehe.
Coming soon.
Tony,
RE: 12:55
That is just too funny. That man is one desperate individual, literally breathtakingly odd.
Dale, John McGinn at. al.
It has been a pleasure debating the finer points of life with you.
I am an odd character and generally disagree with most of the posts here no matter which side of the fence they are on, however it was an educational experience. I hope to see y’all in future forums. “Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum”
Moonpie,
McGinn hasn’t been around for quite a while. He was as close to a mentor as one could find on a blogsite! I wonder often how he is.
You always had some good arguments and I am sure that wicked sense of humor has and will serve you well!
I also hope your religion will continue to serve you and your family well.
Take care, and don’t let the sandspurs get in your socks!
dale
So long, Moonpie. I only saw you around a few times, but detected a quick wit. That’s something I admire in an individual…whether I
agree with their views or not.
Take Care.
For old times sake
Survey Shows 5 Kinds of Christians in U.S.
According to ChristianityToday, even though the United States is described as largely Christian (between 70-80 percent),
not all within this vast group of Christians are alike. (Gasp! You’re kidding!!)
Christianity Today International partnered with Zondervan Publishers to commission Knowledge Networks to conduct
attitudinal and behavioral research of U.S. Christians. In September 2006, they surveyed more than 1,000 self-identified
Christians of at least 18 years of age. Subjects were surveyed on their religious beliefs and practices. What emerged
were portraits five distinct segments of American Christianity: Active Christians 19 percent, Professing Christians 20 percent,
Liturgical Christians 16 percent, Private Christians 24 percent,
and Cultural Christians 21 percent.
Alba,
Yes, “christians” are comprised of very few actual fundamentalists, especially when soome “christian” finds out that
his fundamentalist “bretheren” are trying to control their sex lives and impose biblical law on them.
Their attitudes change in a hurry once they understand the intentions.
All,
vjack has posted a blog about the decision to end the DefCon site for the forseeable future.
Vjack has also been a contributor here; sometimes just when we needed him!
Tony and I have posted a comment and I think that anyone who is appreciative of his style might want to boogie over there and
say some good words.
In his blog, he says:
“They excelled at the sort of brief but highly informative posts that conveyed vital information in few words.
They were also the first place I would learn of many important action alerts. Of course, I probably don’t have to tell you how
important they were - looking at the hundreds of comments they receive on most posts, it is likely that you are already familiar with them.”
There is also at least one comment from a person who read DefCon, but didn’t comment, Just as we read a lot of stuff but don’t comment.
We served our purpose and our cause very well! ….better in retrospect than what I percieved at the time.
By the way,
I would not describe vjack as a “militant atheist” it might be a good thing for you-know-who-you-are to comment at
his site and relate some of the more pertinent comments about “spirituality” that you have pulled on me!
I can assure you that he treats everybody the same, meaning he is totally consistent in his responses.
(Unless one would want to come off as a churlish and lazy dork!)
I’m not being a blatant promoter of vjack’s blog, although he may like the minimal publicity, He has offered us a new home
And I was thinking…..let’s swarm over there as a group and take advantage of poor ol’ vjack, and see what happens.
There is no monetary or emotional constraints, but we can maybe do a little “snowballing.” (v- stop me if I become too animated.)
Think Grass Roots and you will find that you are one of them
I love being a “Grass Root,” by the way. It’s what I do!
I’ve been checking out alternative blog sites, especially in the area of our concern here….and I gotta say, Defcon is definitely
the most user friendly site I’ve seen so far and I will surely miss y’all and this meetin’ place…….. (except, of course - and it should go
without saying, but for the record — except for bile. He is like childhood eczema….. like an itchy ass……like a bit lip…..like the asshole
with 25 items in the 8 items or less line….like the dickhead that farts in an elevator)………………………………………………………
Funding has run out? - you folks need to pray for a miracle.
Dale - I look forward when we once again can wear out our typing fingers as we debate the issues. You will always have my respect.
wow - I forgot all about MarJ…..I think he may have actually had potential for progress. Too bad it didn’t rub off on bile.
So long, MJ. I pray someday you’ll be able to see the wedded bliss that occurred when the RR married the neocons, and the big ol’ mess
that caused for your Constitutional liberties and mine. Will it be proof of God should DefCon return, Mark, or just a determined bunch? Check
out some of the other blogs that address these issues - none has the volume of posts that DefCon has.
C.T. you’re so right - your entire post! I’m still hoping that Dale will set up another temp address, and you’ll jump in. A small group of us are going to maintain
contact and continue our fight through that outlet, for now. You’d be missed otherwise.
I’m sorry the hear that DefCon is taking a break. I really had a great time with you all and Def Con
did some great things! I especially thank them for the response to the Creation Muesuem was
creative and worth while, and the stem cell campagin was great also.
dale, Albatross, yahweh, I hope the hear from you over at the AU site. You too, Mark Jumper.
It is less rough-n-tumble, but there is value in “civilized dialog” as well as knock-down,
drag-out street fighting.
Alan - I like civilized dialogue as much as anyone…but I welcome a knock-down, drag-em-out brawl when it comes to keeping the theocrats outta our government.
Viva la revolucion.
Alba - hope we don’t lose touch.
Tomorrow, I give thanks for the First Amendment, our Constitution, our Republic, our families and friends and especially, all those that gave the ultimate sacrifice
so that we can have the luxury of this free and open discussion…..among many, many things that I don’t take for granted but am so grateful to have.
C.T. - Amen, brother, amen, again in every way
. You’re taking all the words right out of my mouth tonight.
When I left my first job as an import agent, the company was still afloat. Eventually it did die, and I kept in contact
with some of the people that I had worked with. We all knew, in our hearts, we would never again find a boss so
generous, and an atmosphere so unique. It was indeed, like experiencing a death. I can compare it to knowing that
even if we all find another place so committed to this cause, we’ll never again have the “knock-down, drag-em-out
brawls” we’ve enjoyed here, and bud, sometimes that feels really good.
I am certain that we all will meet up at places in which we all share the passion, and yet because of the vastness
of the world wide web, I wonder if my thoughts are simply wishful thinking.
Alan, I think you may have been posting here a bit longer than I; but it’s been a pleasure, and your comments -
always appreciated.
DefCon’ers always remember -
“To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”
~ Thomas Paine
But it sure does feel good smackin’ ‘em down, don’t it?
A search of the word DefCon at the AiG blog shows 51 hits. People, we’ve been a thorn in the
side of the radicals.
Stay strong.
Alba - don’t be so sentimental….it’s bringing me down. It’ll all work out in the end. Stay up.
Sorry to bring you down, C.T. I’ve had too many losses this year, and outlets with like-minded individuals
has been salve for my soul. I will miss this.
I’ve never once hidden my emotions here at DefCon, why would I start now?
I said each of my final posts will contain a quote and it will:
“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot may, in this crisis,
shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”
Thomas Paine
The opening words of the series of pamphlets The American Crisis, by Thomas Paine, begun in late 1776. Paine, seeking to stir up revolutionary spirit in the colonies, continues, “The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot may, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”
Alba - consider me stirred….and not shaken
test kjgjghk
aig spoke of the con months ago, for example,
“As we have written before on this website, Dr. Krauss’s representation of DefCon begs the question: how is a private
museum, totally funded by AiG supporters (without receiving a penny of government monies) somehow a danger to
constitutional liberties? Furthermore, there is no compulsion to come here. In addition, because
AiG is not advocating that creationists go to the courts or legislatures to mandate that creation or intelligent design be taught in public schools,
we are scratching our heads as to why DefCon is so concerned about the museum as it relates to constitutional issues.”
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/06/terrorizing-soul-and-mind
The growing anti-Christian sentiment in America is being reflected not just with the threat of frivolous lawsuits from evolutionists, but
in an increasing number of books and articles (e.g., the text American Fascists by Chris Hedges). Many secularists
In their panic, they lash out at a Bible-proclaiming museum.
Ironically, we are discovering that in this land of liberty, it is the secular humanists—often heard to proclaim toleration
toleration—who can be the least tolerant of people when something challenges their worldview.
Their aggressive tactics… http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/06/terrorizing-soul-and-mind
Might I ask who turned the thread into wide-screen?
Tony, I am part less than 1/3 of a way through your link, and I already have comments. I hate to appear
ignorant, but why don’t I have a copy/paste on that format? Thank you…so far.
Yahweh, I also looked through your link. I don’t know how it will pan out, but I feel certain that Guantanomo (?)
is a US POW camp. I am not so certain on the Geneva Convention, but I have always been of the opinion that
if we hold a detainee, we grant them the rights to the rules under which we held them by. Too many US citizens
have been held captive by these “rules,” based on their appearance and their religious beliefs, and thus, deprived
of their rights. If we can’t hold them, and apply the law to them, I believe we’re supposed to turn them over to their
governing authorities.
There could be mistakes made in the process, but it is all about the process. There is no question, the US has allowed
for the violation of its’ principles with this administration, and others before. The question is will be be able to restore it
in our time?
google “Answers in Genesis defcon”
i get 22,500 for Answers in Genesis defcon
AIG has upset defcon a lot more then the other way around.
Bilbo,
I will NOT miss you. I stand by what I said b4.
Albatross Says:
A search of the word DefCon at the AiG blog shows 51 hits. People, we’ve been a thorn in the
side of the radicals.
Stay strong.
AIG = Agonizingly Ignorant Gentiles
and the “Creationist” museum = total waste of time, money and energy
liars - distorters - myth-lovers - losers - facists
percentage
51/22,500= = 0.00226666
.002 hahahaha
Muaaaahhhh Haaaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaa!!
What a friggin joke! Think again, idiot!
Soon, very soon….
Bilbo quotes:
“Ironically, we are discovering that in this land of liberty, it is the secular humanists—often heard to proclaim toleration
toleration—who can be the least tolerant of people when something challenges their worldview.
Their aggressive tactics… http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/08/06/terrorizing-soul-and-mind
What is the greatest myth in history? Answer in Genesis
Bill,
To this day, you’ve never commented on the fact that you are free here to spew your nonsense,
but iver at Hamsterhead’s blog, you only get to read what he writes. Why is that?
iver should be over, though I have little reason to believe you’ll seriously address the question,
anyway.
How do you share an email address when you know there is a stalker in the crowd?
November 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 am
Albatross Says:
Bill,
… Ham’s blog, you only get to read what he writes. Why is that?
email him and ask him.
bile - who’s gonna kick you around now? You’re gonna miss this.
Hamster isn’t worth the toilet paper I wipe my ass with. Doesn’t it bother you that
Hamsterhead doesn’t want to know anyone else’s thoughts? Only provides pre-scripted
FAQ’s and answers. Funny, that!!
Sad. lost wittle Billy. We will go on. And celebrate the Creation Museum’s failure. Will you celebrate
the riches Hamsterhead acquires? What does he pay his low-lifers out thar in Kintucky?
Tony, I am part less than 1/3 of a way through your link, and I already have comments. I hate to appear
ignorant, but why don’t I have a copy/paste on that format? Thank you…so far.
Alba,
The format of that link is a PDF file (I could not find the http equivalent), and I think that the ablility to cut/copy/paste might
be dependent on what version of Adobe you have.
I really enjoyed that legal opinion piece; however, I hope that the writer was being overly pessimistic. However, it is a good
lesson to learn that that particular fight is far from over, and we can not simply rest on our past victories. Frankly, it is a shame
that science education may be at the mercy of the legal system, and any decision to gut science education in this country is
done at our peril - the rest of the world will simply pass us by and this nation will forever loose its technological advantages.
One need not look further than that recent breakthrough in stem cell research - that breakthrough was accomplished by
Japanese researchers.
Feminist for Life???
In 1997 Planned Parenthood’s INsider magazine to clinic staffers called FFL’s College Outreach Program “the newest and most
challenging concept in anti-choice student organizing… a campaign that could have profound impact” on the
pro-life student movement, “as well as Planned Parenthood’s public education and advocacy efforts.” Planned Parenthood was right!
http://www.feministsforlife.org/
WTF
http://www.feministsforlife.org/FFL_topics/index.htm
“a list of topics that Feminists for Life deals with when it talks about being a Feminist and being Pro-Life.
Equality in the Workplace (Summer 1998)
Victory Over Violence (Fall 1998)
Right to Know
After an Abortion
Child Abuse/Infanticide
Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
Father’s Rights and Responsibilities
Women’s History
Women’s Rights Worldwide”
100
Tony - the only rational “believer”- will be missed. Kindred spirits, passing in the night. Best wishes.
have you ever heard of Feminist for Life???
bile - black conservative feminist bitch - wow….what an amalgamation — do you fight with yourself…..or do you just take it out on others?
http://www.feministsforlife.org/WomenDeserveBetter/WDB-OpEd.pdf
Pregnant Students Deserve Better ®
than Abortion
By Serrin M. Foster
i was able to meet Ms. Foster the other day.
you couldn’t meet your dick if you reached in your pants
Tony, my comment was about how many fundies condemn the very advancement of science,
claiming medicine is “nazi science,” but when their life is on the line…another story comes into
“the vision.”
I have a fundie friend who recently found herself in the position of choosing medicine, or death.
She chose medicine…thus she chose science…and justified her choice.
i see ct found his level.
How is a feminist defined?
“[W]e must not forget that in our country are evangelists and zealots of many different political, economic and religious persuasions whose
fanatical conviction is that all thought is divinely classified into two kinds - that which is their own and that which is false and dangerous.”
Late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, 1950
yeah, bile - right where you reside - in the depths of inanity.
claiming medicine is “nazi science,”????????????????
name one modern day Christian whoever made such a claim???????
Hey Bill, I’ve always wondered. Did you get in any trouble for having your name link up to that
Josh person apologetics site?
How is a feminist defined?
How is a feminist defined?
How is a feminist defined?
http://www.feministsforlife.org/history/index.htm
Ah, yes, Tony. I definitely wanted to highlight and comment on that as well
.
Thanks.
Feminist History
Voices of our Feminist Foremothers
Susan B. Anthony
Mattie Brinkerhoff
Matilda Gage
Emma Goldman
Sarah Norton
Alice Paul
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Mary Wollstonecraft
Victoria Woodhull
Susan B. Anthony
In her publication The Revolution, was written:
“Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!”
Abortion was referred to as “child murder.”
The Revolution, 4(1):4 July 8, 1869
“We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil…It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed.”
The Revolution, 4(1):4 July 8, 1869
“All the articles on this subject that I have read have been from men. They denounce women as alone guilty, and never include man in any plans for the remedy.”
The Revolution, 4(1):4 July 8, 1869
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
She classified abortion as a form of “infanticide.” The Revolution, 1(5):1, February 5, 1868
“When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.”
Letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873, recorded in Howe’s diary at Harvard University Library
“There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?”
The Revolution, 1(10):146-7 March 12, 1868
Emma Goldman
“The custom of procuring abortions has reached such appalling proportions in America as to be beyond belief…So great is the misery of the working classes that seventeen abortions are committed in every one hundred pregnancies.”
Mother Earth, 1911
Mattie Brinkerhoff
“When a man steals to satisfy hunger, we may safely conclude that there is something wrong in society - so when a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is an evidence that either by education or circumstances she has been greatly wronged.”
The Revolution, 4(9):138-9 September 2, 1869
Victoria Woodhull
The first female presidential candidate was a strong opponent of abortion.
“The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus.”
Woodhull’s and Claflin’s Weekly 2(6):4 December 24, 1870
“Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth.”
Wheeling, West Virginia Evening Standard, November 17, 1875
Sarah Norton
“Child murderers practice their profession without let or hindrance, and open infant butcheries unquestioned…Is there no remedy for all this ante-natal child murder?…Perhaps there will come a time when…an unmarried mother will not be despised because of her motherhood…and when the right of the unborn to be born will not be denied or interfered with.”
Woodhull’s and Claffin’s Weekly, November 19, 1870
Mary Wollstonecraft
As early as 1792, Mary Wollstonecraft wrote “A Vindication of the Rights of Women,” which Susan B. Anthony admired enough to serialize in The Revolution. After decrying, in scathing 18th century terms, the sexual exploitation of women, she said:
“Women becoming, consequently, weaker…than they ought to be…have not sufficient strength to discharge the first duty of a mother; and sacrificing to lasciviousness the parental affection…either destroy the embryo in the womb, or cast if off when born. Nature in every thing demands respect, and those who violate her laws seldom violate them with impunity.”
Matilda Gage
“[This] subject lies deeper down in woman’s wrongs than any other…I hesitate not to assert that most of [the responsibility for] this crime lies at the door of the male sex.”
The Revolution, 1(14):215-6 April 9, 1868
Alice Paul
The author of the original Equal Rights Amendment (1923) opposed the later trend of linking the E.R.A. with abortion. A colleague recalls her saying:
“Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women.”
http://www.feministsforlife.org/history/foremoth.htm
No, Nil Bill, in your own words. Something you’ve not ever been able to do here. Who on earth will you try
to convince now? On that part of things, I’m peeing my pants!
claiming medicine is “nazi science,”????????????????
name one modern day Christian whoever made such a claim???????
name one modern day Christian whoever made such a claim???????
Yeah Alba, I read that part also. There was also that example where scientists applying the theory of evolution in real practice have been assisting
farmers (many in the bible-belt states that oppose evolution) in dealing with new species of pest that have been evolving that are resistant to past
pesticides and pest control measures that are destroying their crops.
Only a theory, indeed…
You quoted anti-abotionist quotes from what I can see. Most likely, many have been distorted to suit the purposes
of those who support your views.
name one modern day Christian whoever claimed medicine is “nazi science,”?
ONE
Alba,
If you take your mouse cursor and click on the “Select Text” button on the toolbar, you should be able to highlight select text and copy it
to your computer’s clipboard, which should then allow you to paste that selection in the comment box here.
bile - I found a home for you …..
http://www.blackconservative.net/
misery enjoys company, so you may enjoy it there.
chithead is the head bigot.
just one???
Never would I invade the privacy of a non-public figure, moron.
“I have a fundie friend who recently found herself in the position of choosing medicine, or death.”
not two
why in this world would a Christian not choose medicine???????
here’s another - bile - and I’m no bigot - you’re the one that brought race into the blog and you’re the one that says you’re relgious beliefs
are absolute truth…… why don’t you spend your time on the black conservative sites? Did they run you off because you are a nut case?
You can post at the site below and maybe Condi will call you up for a date.
http://www.alliancegop.com/
“Never would I invade the privacy of a non-public figure,”
meaning you’re acting like dale and just making things up now.
why would a Christian not chose medicine?? You’d have to ask a Christian Scientist…..or are they not to be considered Christian in your world?
you’re the one that says you’re relgious beliefs
are absolute truth…
where?? you folks assume to much
Bill_from_defcon Says:
name one modern day Christian whoever claimed medicine is “nazi science,”?
tic, tic, trick
Well, dunce, sad as it may be, much of modern medicine is based on some horrific acts that did occur
in Nazi Germany. Don’t you watch the 700 Club as part of your “training?”
As to why my friend had conflict, part of it was “modern medicine” and its’ ties to Naziism, and the rest was
her personal concerns that sometimes medicine goes with the best it knows, and more is to be learned.
That is how science works, you know, if you don’t subscribe to the ‘God did it all, ask no more questions theory.’
But you’re asking me to divulge me friend’s name across the internet? You obviously have no friends.
[Yawn…]
chit has joined heartless in making thing up now???
bile - every time you post your holier-than-thou Bible chapters you are making a de facto claim that you have the inside track on ultimate truth.
You don’t have the balls to admit that you are a bigot….that you think that you are right…..that unliess people accept your myth - that there is a
heaven in the clouds and a hell in the center of the earth, and if you don’t accept Jesus as God - Lord and Saviour - you will burn in hell, etc…..
You are claiming to be absolutely correct and everyone else is wrong — either they believe it (you do) or they don’t (in which case - you KNOW
they will be doomed). You are full of sh*t. It’s coming out right through your little fingers when you type.
But you’re asking me to divulge me friend’s name across the internet? LIE, no i’m not. the fact that
one Christian believes something doesn’t mean you such blame every one.
your trying to change the subject.
NO, MODERN DAY Christian leaders claimed medicine was “nazi science,”?
like dale you’re making things up.
bile says we assume too much…..the only assumption I make about you, bile - is that you are a short, fat little man who can’t get along with anyone that doesn’t follow
in lockstep with his ancient mythological dogma and is scared to stretch beyond his shallow little comfort zone.
Actually C.T., I think that I found a website that billhead badly needs to visit.
Here it is: get help billhead
bile - every time you post your holier-than-thou Bible chapters you are making a de facto claim that you have the inside track on ultimate truth.
no i’m not.
is this why you hate God and the Bible so much????
No, idiot, Bill, as usual, you try to jump into something you no nothing about
.
Tony, privately posted an article that I am commenting on. So piss off,
asshole. You know nothing of which you attempt to speak.
LOL, Tony. Good, clean, wholesome fun!
Nil Bill, who needs his pill…Many only hate the God that you try to force down their throats. They might
have a different image then you…of a kinder, gentler, being.
As to the Bible, well…Have you ever read Aesop’s Fables? Good stories, with a moral, but mostly made up.
no, i’m not????
no, i’m not???
so - because you deny the truth, that makes it false?
You are a presumptuous bastard and you have no fu*king idea what you’re talking about…..hate God and the Bible??? I hate ignorance. If the shoe fits
you, wear it. You spin like O’Reilly - another major league a-hole. You do believe you speak truth when you spit that crap about “accept Jesus as
Lord and Saviour or burn in hell” bullsh*t and you know it, you lying sack of sh*t. You are the bigot and the liar and the phoney, wannabe. Get a life - loser.
I think is Christ were here now, Bill, he would not be a Christian. Your “kind” would never have him.
alba - i’ve had enough of this garbage from bile. he is a real piece of work. I’m audi for now. c ya round. peace.
No, no, C.T. As Bill would say, it’s “wanttabe.”
you funny lady -
bonn nuit, bella.
Bonn nuit, Monsieur (in today’s sense of the word
)
Night, Tony.
More commentary to follow. Thanks again, much, for that article.
To All:
May you all have a safe day and enjoy your turkey, or whatever other food you stuff your face with
.
As you enjoy your long weekend, take the time to clean out the winter coat closet, and donate to those in need.
Thanks.
Best Wishes.
Alba
Tony,
tell me more about the new species of pests that are evolving.
i need something for fire ants too.
I was perusing the comments from last night and I find where bill does not understand how to make a simple percentage.
He was trying to compare the hits at AIG vs DefCon and says this:
“November 22nd, 2007 at 1:50 am
Bill_from_defcon Says:
percentage
51/22,500= = 0.00226666
.002 hahahaha ”
hahahaha?
Perhaps he is laughing at his own ignorance.
.002 What? bill? What is the percentage? It is not .002 percent. HA HA HA HA you ignorant bastard HA HA
He pissed in his own wheaties again. EVERY time he has tried to do some math he screwed it up. He says he was
going to give a percentage but guess what? He DOESN’T KNOW HOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has no understanding of math outside of simple arithmetic.
This guy can’t even do seventh grade math. What a freaking joke.
Then he wonders why he has no credibility! HE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE how ignorant he is.
Try again bill, what percent of 22,500 is 51? Hmmmmmmm?
You are a dithering moron. You don’t know simple math. You have no command of the english language. You are a functional illiterate.
IT GET’S WORSE. bill has no clue as what makes a logical statement.
It’s gotta suck to be handicapped like bill. What could it be like to live life under all his delusions?
There is no way in fu*k that he could ever hold down anything but a menial job, no way in hell and any trained person could read his stuff and not know that immediately.
That is the way we test candidates for jobs, we read what they write. One of the first screenings we do in my organization is three pages of simple questions
including a couple simple math problems. It is not the answers on this screening that are important; it is the way they are answered. I can tell you that bill’s incompetance would be readily
apparent on the first question.
Ignorance personified- and I can prove it.
CT,
We have a core group that have exchanged emails on a temporary site that I had up for a few days.
I don’t reaaly want to go through that to get one person oaadded, but I will if need be.
The best way to get connected with us would be to email Timi Gearson at DefCon and have her foreward
your email address to me. Or, you can just call her- Timi Gerson, 202-360-7801. Just leave a message if she
doesn’t answer; she is good about returning all calls in a timely manner.
In fact, any of our cronies that want to be included, call her. But, remember to include the screen name you use here
So I know who you are!
There will probably be some initiatives coming up that we’ll need to get together on. (hint, hint)
I put my turkey into a brine of 1 cup salt and 1/2 cup sugar this morning at 6 AM.
He’ll bathe in there until I put him in the oven at 2 PM.
The secret to a great crackling and delicious skin is to put him in the oven at 450 degrees for the first
half hour, or until it sets off your smoke detector, whichever comes first, then reduce to 350 degrees for the balance.
Use your meat thermometer! The thick leg meet has to get to 180 but the breasts are good a 160……..
I stuff mine with cut up lemons, bunches of sage and thyime, salt and pepper. If you stuff the bastard with bread, the bird is
usually overcooked by the time the stuffing is up to temp. I make my corn bread dressing on the side!
This produces the juciest bird you ever ate!
PS Dissolve the sugar and salt in a couple quarts of boiling water before adding to the rest of the water
to insure that it dissolves
bill,
By the way, it is standard convention to write your erroneous percentage number, .002, as 0.002 so the decimal
does not get rammed into or become confused with other punctuation.
Also, there are some damn good math tutorial sites on the net in case you decide to give up your churlish ways and actually learn something.
“A new poll shows, once again, that most Americans don’t like politics in the pulpit.
Sixty-two percent of the 1,000 adults surveyed said political candidates shouldn’t campaign at religious services.
People “don’t want to see a sermon or something presented as a sermon by a presidential candidate,” says Scott Rasmussen,
whose research group Rasmussen Reports, co-sponsored the poll with the Washington Times.
An even greater percentage, 70 percent, said they don’t want religious leaders to “suggest” whom to vote for. I think it’s fair to
say that people just want to hear a sermon when they go their houses of worship.”
The decline of organized religion continues. Read the rest over at AU.
Happy autumn harvest to ALL my sentient, intelligent friends here.
Happy TURKEY day to MJ, Bill, Nj and all you TURKEYS!
The priestcraft should minister to the spiritual needs of their “sheep” not the political needs.
There is not a so called christian out there that can show in any way that the bible says they should get into politics.
That is another myth started by the fundie priestcraft.
Yahweh,
At one time when we were talking about separation of church and state,someone chimed in, of course,
to say that the words separation of church and state in not in the constitution.
You wrote a most informed comment that, “neither are these words in the constitution,”
No taxes without representation,
The right to carry handguns
etc
etc.
Would you please repost that for me?
Thanks Yahweh! ******Gobble Gobble******
The right to marry,
The right to bear children,
The right to travel,
Free expression,
The right to vote,
The right to trial by jury of peers.
Dale ; I ‘ll try to find the post to which you refer. If not, I’ll recreate it from scratch.
On another important note, I wrote a letter to Editor of local paer re “torture, which went something as follows:
Dismayed, disguted and disgruntled are inadequate to express the REULSION I feel whn i realize that the SPINELESS Democrats, the SYCOPHANT Republican, King George and his Cronies, as well as the recently confirmed Atoorney General are unable to recognize and define”torture”.
I suggest the followin as a point of beginning:
” ‘TORTURE”: Any conduct, behavior, or act, of omission or commission, that YOU would NOT want to befall YOUR child or children if she, he , or they were in the hands of a foreign power; specifically…”
If this is TOO vague or overly broad, I suggest another phrase from a work to which the CHIEF Pharisee, Sadduccee, Hypocrite, King George pays
frequent lip service: ‘DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.”
…disgusted
REVULSION
Republicans…
Good letter, yahweh.
I suggest Bush and Cheney be subjected to one day and one night of imprisonment, at a camp, where it can
be demonstrated for them, what might constitute torture.
Happy thanksgiving, and I praise Defcon for enlightening people with the truth of the hypocrisy of the religious right. The Bills of the world are their own downfall. Look at another right wing preacher who is in trouble for a scandel down south. Bill, you can delude yourself all you want and think your brood will have the last laugh. You won’t. You’ll be rebuked and you’ll lose for all the time your kind spend in dividing the country. I am proud to stand against the likes of you and Dobson, and as of now, the USA knows the truth about Bush and the RR. Moderate Christians and everyone who stands for freedom will always be there to keep America what it is. The RR is on the run, and they will not have their America as long as true people keep the American way alive. Good job to everyone who still stands for a Constitution.
Thanks Ross.
Keep the “faith” and spread the word. ******back to basting*****
By the way, the RR does assign their own kind to try and attack websites like this in an attempt to destroy them. I wouldn’t believe much of anything an ignorant bigot from the RR says here, because they have been trying to reshape this country into something is was not meant to be for years now. All the proof of the lies of Bush are on StopBushLies.com. And that is who the RR claimed to love so much. Well, they deserve what they get. They are not true Christians. Carter, Billy Grahm, Pope John Paul, they are the true Christians. Robertson, Falwell, Dobson are false Christians who are attacking the constitution. Christ would love a person for who they are, whether liberal or conservative. Christians are suppose to accept others for different points of view whether in life or religion if one and all strives to bring peace to the world. Defcon fights for freedom