Solution to the Drought? Pray!
Today Georgia’s Governor decided to finally take action around the devastating drough that continues to wreak havoc on much of the South. Did he finally impose strick water conservation measures, you ask? No, he held a prayer service on the steps of the capital building. According to the Associated Press:
As metropolitan Atlanta’s water supplies drain to record lows, many across the Southeast have criticized Perdue and other Georgia officials for failing to introduce more stringent conservation measures.
Perdue, who wore a green suit and brown cowboy boots, seemed to acknowledge that the drought afflicting Georgia was a man-made, as well as natural, problem. Georgians, he said, had not done “all we could do in conservation.”
While many hoped that a miracle could end the drought, repentance was a recurring theme.
We’ll let you know if rain starts to fall..
Perdue’s state is dry, but his mind is parched.
What’s wrong with praying?
It’s his right to pray. He is not requiring anyone else to pray.
But according to athiest and liberals, its illegal for public figures to pray in public. You guys seem to forget what the first admendment says except for when it suits your agenda.
Brian, no one is saying its illegal.
We are calling him stupid. Thats all.
Brian, take a deep breath…easy… one…two…three…..
Hey little buddy! You are coming to a place where you know full well is full of what you cal liberals.
Fine.
We come here to have rational conversations about the first ammendment and infringement by theocratic types.
That is what we do.
Not one person here has complained about your right to pray. Go ahead! Pray all you want! As an individual, you have the right to pray wherever and whenever you want to.
Just back off and realize we have the right to be critical and vocal about your superstitious religious ritual.
Thanks.
OK, Brian,
Would you like to modify your vile, troll-like remark and enter into a mature conversation?
Or… run off, as usual. Sucks to be you.
A few years ago, in a earlier drought, the then gov also prayed (in church) for rain and after the service the press was there to ask him if he thought it would work. He said, of course, that he did and no sooner had he said it than rain started to sprinkle. Unfortunately for all the “believers,” it had already started raining the previous night and the forecast at the time of the prayer vigil had called for rain. This, of course, didn’t stop the fanatics from claiming it was the government prayer that brought the rain.
Now, with Purdue following suit, he prays on the steps of the capital in his capacity of head of state (viiolation of Constitution, brian) knowing full well that persipitation is forecast for tomorrow. Typical charlatanism at it’s best and most blatant.
For the record, the Gov. of Georgia at the time was Joe Frank Harris and the year was 1986.
brian…pray away. We don’t care.
Just keep your nose out of my business.
I am praying that the sun will rise in the morning…let’s see if it works…….
I have faith that it will, Dale.
Thanks be to god, brother…….
i’m praying bill never shows his font here agin.
I posted about this latest example of RR nuttery a couple of threads ago. Perdue’s stupid exhibition is just a forerunner of the RR outcry that will ensue when global climate change really starts to bite our asses. They’ve been poo-pooing the problem for years, claiming it’s just a tree-huggin’ liberal fantasy. Instead of hedging their bets and developing any kind of “what if it really happens” policy, they keep on living large and asking God to bless their college football games. But you can bet when Macon starts looking like the Sahara of the Southeast and folks in Savannah are swimming out of their former waterfront homes, the RR will be shrieking about how its all God’s punishment on the nation for tolerating gays, abortions, and liberals. Anything to avoid personal accountability.
brian Says:
What’s wrong with praying? It’s his right to pray. He is not requiring anyone else to pray. But according to athiest and liberals, its illegal for public figures to pray in public. You guys seem to forget what the first admendment says except for when it suits your agenda.
Brian you have to read between the lines, for example.
dale Says:
… You are coming to a place where you know full well is full of what you cal(l) liberals. Fine.
(Well, its not really fine because…)
We come here to have rational conversations(meaning we want to only chat with someone who agrees with us)
…about the first ammendment(sic) and infringement(s)(infringements is a code word for thing we disagree with) by theocratic types(here is the one small grain of truth, dale well claim thy are not anti-GOD here but notice his admitting they are anti-“ theocratic types” , not right wingers but “theocratic types”. WHY because) That is what we do.
Not one person here has complained about your right to pray. Go ahead! Pray all you want! As an individual, you have the right to pray wherever and whenever you want to.
Just back off and realize we have the right to be critical (judgmental) and vocal (derogatory) about your superstitious religious ritual(Thing thet disagree with). Thanks.
November 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
dale Says:
OK, Brian, Would you like to modify your vile, troll-like remark and enter into a mature conversation? Or… run off, as usual. Sucks to be you.
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“troll-like remark” means you touched a nerve about dale losing his personal faith in GOD.
Vile, means you talked in a pleasant manner and made dale mad.
Mad meaning wild, uncontrollably, crazy.
Oh, and anything to avoid actually doing something about the problem instead of just bitching to God about it. I saw a feature on the national news a few nights ago about some bastard in Atlanta who is using 400,000 gallons of water a month to keep his estate as green as St. Andrews, while his neighbors get by on 1,000 gallons a month and have let their lawns die and their Hummers stay dirty. Anyone want to speculate on the estate-owner’s political party or ideological orientation? Duh.
Now, with Purdue following suit, he prays on the steps of the capital in his capacity of head of state (viiolation(sic) of Constitution, brian)
Bible are allowed in the public schools and the governor is allowed as governor to pray in public, even if you don’t like it.
Grow up and get over it.
PS did you ever notice that ALL of the currency you use
proclaims “I N..G O D..W E..T R U S T. ”
I see God didn’t answer my prayer this time. I prayed to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I asked in the name of Jesus. But He told me that praying for bill to go away was like praying for rain……these things will happen in good time. He said, “Better you should pray for peace. Oy vey!”
Amen to that Dorris!
Go ahead, pray. Pray. Pray! It’s your waste of time, not mine. If there was a God, I am sure i would be a smoking heap of ash by now, what with all the xtians on this site fervently praying that I be struck with holy lightning for my evil, atheist, Christophobic ways.
I don’t give a fart in a firestorm if those idiots in Georgia pray until they’re blue in the face, as long as they don’t do it on the public taxpayer’s dime. The Constitution grants everyone in this great nation the right to be as stupid and superstitious as they please. It also guarantees my right not to have it shoved down my throat or paraded on the steps of federal institutions that my tax money pays for. If Sonny Perdue wants to have a sit-in for God, then let him do it in a closet in somebody’s private home, like the Bible advises.
Students are allowed to have their Bibles in the public schools. Teachers can also use bibles, as long as they are not professing their own religious beliefs, or endorsing a particular religion. Soon, the Koran will be allowed as well, nitwit, cause if you have one, you must allow equal time…just like in the afterschool clubs. Can’t wait to watch all you fundies foaming at the mouth when that occurs. But why? Their religion is also ancient history, is it not?
Go read the history of WHY our currency says IN God We Trust. The reasons are not religious, you idiot, but purely political. Give you a hint…COMMUNISM SCARE!
WHAT political party is the mayor of Atlanta a member of .
Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin, Black female an a
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how much is her water bill?
http://localism.com/article/248665/Atlanta-Mayor-Shirley-Franklin-s-water
Shirley Franklin is the 59th mayor of Atlanta, GA. and She is a Democrat.
Good point, Albatross. These fundies would have the history books changed to claim that Jesus himself stepped down from heaven at Plymouth Rock and founded America, complete with currency graven by His own Holy Finger.
The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania
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This is directly from the Treasury Department. Read the letter that the minister wrote and the rest of the rediculous story here:
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html
Given the time period in which this legislation was enacted, only a suicidal maniac would have risen up against this proposal. We live in a different time and rational thinking is taking the throne from the mythical superstitions of the past. The fact that our currency and pledge have a phrase upon them (unconstituionally) doesn’t make fundies right. Fundies need to calm down and pull their heads out of their arses. Nobody is saying they can’t believe in their myth…..but the time has come for the constitutionality of the First Amendment to be applied to our money and the Pledge of Allegiance.
Soon, the Koran will be allowed as well,
he Koran should be allowed now.
Hey, Bill, it wasn’t the mayor of Atlanta who was using 400,000 gallons of water per month to keep her pool full and her private fairways green. It was some anonymous greedy bastard who refused to be interviewed. I’m not claiming to have any kind of inside information, but it’s a pretty safe bet that someone who indulges in such obscene consumption in the middle of a drought is not an environmentalist.
Thank you, C.T. I mistakenly thought it occurred in the same time frame as ‘under God’ in the pledge. Much obliged for the info.
Heartless monster falsely claims, Go read the history of WHY our currency says IN God We Trust. The reasons are not religious, you idiot, but purely political.
C.T. refute its error by saying:
The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War.
bill, exactly what was the point you were attempting (lamely, as usual) to make re: Mayor Franklin???
Below is from the link the YOU supplied and it shows very reasonable water usage. WTF
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Below is Atlanta Mayor, Shirley Franklin’s water bill for the past six months. I think it is very noble and admirable that Mayor Franklin is doing her part to conserve water. This is a great example of why she was elected to represent Atlanta and be given this leadership role…she is leading Atlantans by example during this water crisis.
Month
ccfs
Total
April
10
$99.31
May
11
$110.45
June
20
$210.71
July
9
$88.17
August
9
$92.53
September
8
$84.60
Ummmm, hello, moron - Bill. At least, I can admit the error of my ways, and thank someone for the information that they shared. Can you say the same?
Bill, just because religious fervor once held sway in this country by no means validates it. A few hundred years ago Europeans were burning old women whom they believed were witches. Does the fact that thousands believed burning people was justified make it right? Like I say, crazy belief with one follower = psychotic patient; crazy belief with millions of followers = religion. Still doesn’t mean it’s validated.
Dorris your statement was,
I saw a feature on the national news a few nights ago about some bastard in Atlanta who is using 400,000 gallons of water a month to keep his estate as green as St. Andrews,
Anyone want to speculate on the estate-owner’s political party or ideological orientation? Duh.
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The mayor is a democrap. duh.
So your point was…..?
“The next step in the process of religionizing the national currency had to wait nearly a century, when on July 11.1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto “In God We Trust.” The following year, Public Law 851 was enacted and signed, which officially replaced the national motto “E Pluribus Unum” with “In God We Trust” All of this occurred at the height of cold war tension, when political divisions between the Soviet and western block was simplistically portrayed as a confrontation between Judeo-Christian civilization and the “godless” menace of communism. Indeed, the new national motto was only part of a broader effort to effectively religionize civic ritual and symbols. On June 14, 1954, Congress unanimously ordered the inclusion of the words “Under God” into the nation’s Pledge of Allegiance. By this time, other laws mandating public religiosity had also been enacted, including a statute for all federal justices and judges to swear an oath concluding with “So help me God.”
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/igwt1.htm
claims atheists.org get real.
bill - don’t cum all over yourself because Alba made a mistake, especially when she acknowledged it. Oh, wait…..if you hadn’t gloated, you would have been acting like Jesus would have you to act (according to your myth), and far be it from you to act like a Christian. You’re showing your stripes again, bill.
Yes, Shirley Franklin is a Democrat. Fundies would probably say that her reasonable water usage is just proof that female Democrats (i.e., liberals) don’t need water to stay alive but just drink the blood of their unborn babies.
AMERICA is not a religion free zone, get over it.
Bill, did you bother to read my previous posts? The MAN featured on the news broadcast who was using 400,000 gallons of water a month was an ANONYMOUS MAN who refused to be interviewed. IT WAS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC MAYOR.
No, bill. Re: your comment to Dorris - the question, again, is WTF was YOUR point? Dorris’s impilication that the water hog was probably a Xtian Repukelican was demographically more probable than not. And YOUR insinuation re: Mayor Franklin had no merit as shown by the link that YOU posted. Are you OK? Forget the meds, or something? Cheese and Crackers, get it together, man.
I’m going to pray tonight that gravitational theory explains why i don’t float of tonight while sleeping into outer space where Brian, troll, Mj’s and others of their ilk have lost their heads!
If you hear from me in the future…my prayers worked.
if you don’t hear from me ever again no need to REPENT!
Soon, the Koran will be allowed as well,
Why shouldn’t the Koran already be allowed in public schools???????
Better, moron????
““In God We Trust” began appearing on coins in 1864.
At the height of the Cold War, when the U.S. faced the threat of atheistic communism, the phrase made its way onto paper currency, appearing first on Oct. 1, 1957. The move came one year after a joint resolution passed by the 84th Congress declared “In God We Trust” the national motto of the United States.”
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071002/29535_’In_God_We_Trust’_Marks_50th_Anniversary_Amid_Controversy.htm
Yummmmmmm……..unborn baby blood. More please.
Unfortunately, America is not a moron-free zone. Yet.
Dorris your statement was,
I saw a feature on the national news a few nights ago about some bastard in Atlanta who is using 400,000 gallons of water a month to keep his estate as green as St. Andrews,
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So your point was…..?
How about this one, Bill, from American’s United?
“…During the Civil War, supporters of the use of the phrase “In God We Trust” on currency argued that it would mitigate the results of that divisive conflict. By the 1950s, a different argument had arisen: This time, the religious motto was designed to fend off communism…”
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5701&abbr=cs_
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There, bill - ya think she remembers now? Or do you think it should be posted another few dozen times?
Dorris, you make a statement about some jerks political party, which you HAD NO CLUE ABOUT.
HEARTLESS made a statement about the reason IN GOD WE TRUST is on currency, which she HAD NO CLUE ABOUT.
HA
The ONLY reason CT rushed in was because while heartless was gone I destroyed CT and DALE over the currency issues.
Anyway why shouldn’t the Koran be allowed in public schools???
hows this,
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he he he
he’s the son of the owner of many liqour franchises in Ga. Ergo I suspect he’s a member of the Anti-Prohibition party.
I’ll speculate - given the demographics of the area surrounding the City of Atlanta and the few pockets of wealth with enough real estate to actually use 400,000 gallons of water within city limits, I’d say there is a way above average chance the perp was white, Repukelican, over 50, overweight, and very likely to be a member of a Baptist church. How’s that, bill?
The Qu’ran ,like the ‘Holy Bible”, OUGHT be in ALL schools: But engineers have had difficulty winding them around the cardboard
toilet paper rolls
In June, 2007:
Governor Riley Asks Citizens to Pray for Rain
MONTGOMERY – Governor Bob Riley is encouraging Alabamians to pray for rain.
The Governor has issued a proclamation declaring June 30 through July 7 as “Days of Prayer for Rain” in Alabama, and he is asking citizens to pray individually and in their houses of worship for rain.
“Throughout our history, Alabamians have turned in prayer to God to humbly ask for His blessings and to hold us steady during times of difficulty. This drought is without question a time of great difficulty for our farmers and for communities across the state,” Governor Riley said…
I am so impressed by Bill, he’s so eloquent - just like the fundies on Nova’s “Judgement Day” last night. So full of Christ-like love and goodwill! And always so mature and reasonable, just like Cartman on “South Park”. Wow.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:16 am
Bill_from_defcon Says:
The ONLY reason CT rushed in was because while heartless was gone I destroyed CT and DALE over the currency issues.
???????? WTF are you smokin’ there, bill? You destroyed CT and DALE over the currency issues??? In which lifetime? Dude - you are so over the top it’s beyond pitiful.
We don’t need any sanctimonious politicians telliing us when to or for what to pray.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/
20071002/29535_’In_God_We_Trust’_Marks_50th_Anniversary_Amid_Controversy.htm
America supports IN GOD WE TRUST.
In Indiana, the American Civil Liberties Union is waging a legal battle over the state’s “In God We Trust” license plates, which now appear on over one third of all passenger cars statewide since its introduction at the beginning of this year, according to the state’s Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
…many Americans see the “In God We Trust” motto and other official evocations of a creator as a reflection and acknowledgement of America’s rich religious heritage, according the Pew Forum for Religion & Public Life.
Judge Roger Bradford of the Porter Superior Court in Indiana, according to The Times of Northwest Indiana. Said, “I think they get a little picky when they want to remove all references to it. You can turn the argument around and say that to have no recognition of a supreme being would favor atheists,”
A 2003 Gallup poll found that an overwhelming 90 percent of Americans approved of the use of the motto on coins. A separate Gallup poll in 2004 reported that a similar majority agreed to keeping the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Heartless, why did you leave this part out?????????????
Heartless, why did you leave this part out?????????????
Heartless, why did you leave this part out?????????????
The decision to place the phrase on America’s currency can be traced back to two major times of crisis in the nation’s history. The phrase, now also the nation’s motto, was commissioned back in the Civil War era by Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase upon the urging of the American public, including a church minister.
In a letter, Chase instructed the Director of the Mint at Philadelphia to prepare a motto, writing, “No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.”
“In God We Trust” began appearing on coins in 1864.
At the height of the Cold War, when the U.S. faced the threat of atheistic communism, the phrase made its way onto paper currency, appearing first on Oct. 1, 1957. The move came one year after a joint resolution passed by the 84th Congress declared “In God We Trust” the national motto of the United States.
Can we just let the South secede already? Really…would you miss it?
I’m sure there are many thousands of people in Alabama and Georgia who are sentient and bipedal, and who have internalized the non-existence of Santa Claus and other myths, and who are desperately ashamed to be associated with this medieval spectacle. My heart goes out to them.
I wish bill WOULD act like a Christian and turn the other cheek…….just so I could smack him on both sides.
Anyway why shouldn’t the Koran be allowed in public schools???
Amen, C.T. And his nether-cheeks, too. What a waste of space he is.
bill says
…many Americans see the “In God We Trust” motto and other official evocations of a creator as a reflection and acknowledgement of America’s rich religious heritage
They can “see” all they want….but it won’t change the Constitution and it won’t make America a “Christian nation” and it won’t make their myth become real.
America — where people can fantasize all they want,….but the Constitution trumps fantasy, so keep it in your pants.
Dorris - I wouldn’t touch his “nether-cheeks” with a 100 foot pole. The very thought makes me retch.
Bill - while we’re at it, why not just devote the whole school day to nothing but readings from every religious scrip and collection of folktales in the world. Forget math, science and English. Don’t expose kids to facts, it’ll just confuse em. Do you see the problem, Bill? Huh?
Nope, didn’t think so.
Because, Bill, my posts were highlighting the fact that I believed the currency change occurred with Eisenhower and the Cold War. I was not entirely wrong, owned my error, and thanked C.T. for the knowledge I didn’t have prior to his post You are so pathetically stupid.
Gallup polls won’t change the Constitution either. Putting the word God on our currency and in the pledge is and will remain unconstitutional. Superstitious religious mythology is deeply entrenched in the American psyche and there is still much progress that needs to be made bringing this country into the 21st century. The bills of the world are like a load of bricks on the back of rational thinkers, but in time, they too, will fall by the wayside.
C.T. - yes, the thought of Bill’s nether-cheeks is rather distressing, now that you mention it. Besides, you’d probably have to knock Larry Craig or Ted Haggard out of the way to get to them, anyway.
And you nitwit, did nothing to add to the issue of our currency. C.T. did.
Bill is interested in Don’s cheeks. He has tried to find out Don’s location, and still won’t reveal why.
How many other DefCon contributors have you tried to track down, Bill, and why?
bill - if you’re really looking for something to do, why don’t you scroll back several threads and think of something pointless to add over there while you still can.
The motto on our currency should go the way of the blue laws. Progress toward a rational society is already painfully slow, and it’s not helped by people whose utter lack of critical thinking skills leads them to believe that a decades-old violation of the Constitution somehow validates their beliefs.
C.T., he usually runs away when confronted with the question of why, exactly, he tried to locate Don, and how many other DefCon contributors he’s tried to find.
Perhaps, the anti-evolutionists are going to be starting a new terror campaign, like the anti-abortionists.
IN GOD WE TRUST is on on money, AND its legal. hehehe.
LOLOL
Run, Silly Billy, Run!
Billy wants Don’s cheeks.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:32 am
Noheart Says: …You are so pathetically stupid.
Thank you.
so much for discussing AN ISSUES.
It okay, I know you Godless types can’t help it.
Poor Don! What is it with these wingnuts, anyway? Why are they so concerned about other people’s asses, when all they have to do to see one is to look in a mirror? Why is it that all these fundies are so hung up on asses, genitalia and what everyone is doing with them? Why do they hate gays so much when they’re so gay themselves? What pathetic little lives they lead.
Bill_from_defcon Says: so much for discussing AN ISSUES.
I rest my case.
The issue, or “an issues” in Billese, is that government officials are violating the Constitution by leading the public in prayer on public property.
Bill, why don’t you go join Sonny Perdue and Bob Riley and flagellate yourself in public so God will forgive those poor crackers in Alabama and Georgia and give ‘em some rain so’s they kin wash the ol’ General Lee?
I’m sure they’ll appreciate your intelligence and wit, unlike us.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:40 am
Dorris Says:
it’s not helped by people whose utter lack of critical thinking skills
it’s not helped by people whose utter lack of critical thinking skills
it’s not helped by people whose utter lack of critical thinking skills
once again we see the real truth of the problem with the libs.
According to the libs WE (the America public) are to stupid to be trusted with govern ourselves, so the self proclaimed intelligent elite libbys should be given rule only those silly Americas citizens.
Per November 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am Dorris Says:
IS that the best ya got??? Ha ha ha
Speaking of discussing issues, why do trolls convolute the issue by bringing three topics into one discussion?
Bill_from_defcon Says:
Now, with Purdue following suit…
Bible are allowed in the public schools…
ALL of the currency you use proclaims…
And it’s “godless types” that can’t have discussion? What a joke!
Bill, the retard folks such as yourself put in the White House does sort of beg the question of whether Americans can be trusted to govern themselves - Americans like you, that is.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Albatross Says:
The issue, or “an issues” in Billese, is that government officials are violating the Constitution by leading the public in prayer on public property.
No, they are not in violation of anything except your imagination.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:58 am
I rest my case.
Bill, can you call your literate partner to the fore-front, please?
How many other DefCon contributors have you tried to track down, Bill, and why?
Man has always sacrificed truth to his vanity, comfort and advantage. He lives by make-believe.
-W. Somerset Maugham,
sweet dreams, y’all
Good night, everyone! Except Bill. Bugger off, Bill. It’s late and I’m getting tired of being reasonable. Go find some porn and work out your frustrations there.
Ooooh, Dorris, then Bill would be sinning.
Dorris is porn all you can think of?
Morgan, I hope that was an attempt at humor…..
ORU President gets No Confidence Vote
They have the goats in charge of the cabbage patch. hehe
Dollar, Copeland and Hinn are three of the most outrageous frauds in televangilism. Proof positive that holier than thou fundamentalists are flaming liars and extortionists.
Here is the link to the article on Richard Roberts.
These are people of very low integrity. Smart? yes. But will do anything to preserve their priestcraft trade.
One of the three main keys to good management:
Smoke out those of low integrity and get rid of them, the sooner, the better.
I’m sending my kids to the sister school of Oral Roberts University. It’s called Anal Roberts University; and, yes, it produces the same bovine scatology from the other orifice as is projected from ORU!
The War on Christmas is warming up early this year. Thanks to Bill O’reilly for pushing this into the forefront.
At any rate, score another win for the good guys.
I laughed out loud when I read the comment, “Several members on the board said the school district is usually very compliant with the court’s decision……”
“USUALLY COMPLIANT” with the supreme court decision? Fancy that!
yahweh,
I hope the BoD of Anal Roberts has as good a pedigree as that of ORU!
/sarcasm off.
Ol’ Kent Hovind has another of his hideous posts up. In it he makes this statement:
“I have been through the ordeal of public arrest; court; jail; front-page news; diesel therapy; solitary confinement; lousy food and beds; cold showers; loud, obnoxious swearing cell mates; snoring cell mates; uncertainty; “the hole;” “the tank;” ugly jump suits; freezing cells; some arrogant, power-hungry guards without compassion; stand-up counts; claustrophobia in seven-by-twelve-foot cells locked in twenty-three hours per day; hunger; tears by the bucket; long lonely days and nights; blaring televisions broadcasting dumb shows announcing “You are not the father!”; “recreation” with an egg-shaped, slick basketball in a chain link cage; “inspections” where guards just take whatever they want; recorded phone calls; “visits” through a glass on a phone that is forty-years-old; and breakfast that is the same bland stuff every day at 4:30 a.m.”
Well, that is what usually happens to low-life crooks and criminals like you. What did you expect?
But in another thread, he said he was being “treated well.” He will never get his stories straight. He’s a pathological liar.
Back to the subject of the thread.
If Perdue would pray to god for a pipeline to the Great Lakes and the next morning it was in operation, now, I would be impressed!
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
BTW, this has NOTHING to do with the defcon members.
You are not God’s people…
Neither are you, bil(ge.)
We’re all God’s people, according to Jesus. Asswipe.
dale in order for you to claim That I am not one of God’s people you must first accept that God exist.
So, does God exist or are you just an idiot? hehehe
Why are you addressing the question to Dale, asswipe, I made the claim that according to Jesus, we are all God’s children. If you’d like to go back through the threads, I’ve only disavowed YOUR God, the one that gives you some authority to claim who is and who is not a believer is God according to some absurd standards that YOU have set.
God will turn his back, and not know you, you pathetic piece of shit.
bill is not one of god’s people because there is no evidence tht there is a god. You can’t belong to something that cannot be shown to exist.
Duh!
biil, please seek help.
I just had a horrible thought.
What if the south dries up and all those funies move up into my neck of the woods? Ooooooh shit!
Dear lord, please rain on those poor bastards! *****dale in his most pious manner*******
But for those who do believe in God, or some higher power (for comfort reason’s, Dale
) Bill, will be rejected because his ideas that he has some secret insight, and the right to condemn others, are strictly forbidden by his trusty Bible.
Faux Pas, Bilbo, or just complete idiocy? To think that you can speak for God about who his children are or are not?
While I am in the mood for praying:
Dear god, please protect us from your followers. Thanks in advance for your cooperation on this.
Dale never claimed that you were not one of God’s children. It was YOU who made the claim that defcon members are not God’s children.
Did you get appointed to be God, while he vacations in the Mariana’s?
now heartless believes.
When I first spotted the title of this thread, I thought it said:
Solution to Drought? Party!, which would have been a much better idea.
According to he bible, bil(ge) suffers from one of the worst two sins, pride and lack of humility. Hellbound, he surely is. Hey, I have a bible too!
Show one post where I’ve said I don’t have a belief in God, or some higher power. By the way, Bill, my beliefs don’t prevent me from living in the real world.
I will reiterate (that means repeat, Bill), I have no belief in your idea of a vengeful, hateful, discriminatory, God who is the head of a cult following that claims to “know” everything about the here and now, or the past.
Heartless, here is what Christ said about you, dale, and you kind
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The teaching of “we are all children of God” is NOT Biblical.
Well, now since your supposed god created the supposed devil with every knowledge of how he would be, my sympathy lies with the devil, of course. The supposed god merely created him as dupe just as bil(ge) is Ken Ham’s dupe.
biblical = Ancient book of myths by bronze age goat herders trying to explain their pre-scientific existence.
John 8
1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
21Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
30As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
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40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
you’ve made your choice.
You are so right, nitwit. I have made my choice.
bil(ge),
By the way, I never, ever read any of those scriptures you copy / past. Never. Scooby Doo comic books exhibit more moral authority than that garbage you post. Shove it up your ass.
bil(ge)
I doubt if you have done any sailing or spent any time on a boat larger than a canoe, so I thought I would take a moment to show you how you have earned your new nickname.”
The word “bilge” is a nautical term which is used to refer to a several concepts. It dates from 1513, when “bilge” was first used to refer to the lowest compartment inside the hull of a ship, where the two sides meet at the bottom. However, the term is also used to discuss the matter which collects in the bilge: water drains from the decks of the ship into the bilge, dragging detritus from topside down below. The water that collects in the bilge is usually brackish and also has a foul odor, so bilge has also come to be a term which refers to anything foul or unpleasant.” —Thewisegeek.
I thought the new nickname is particularly appropriate in your case. Thanks for paying attention to this degrading comment and thanks for living up to you new nickname. You definitely have earned it!
Bil(ge) is the detritus of the christian community.
Bil(e) is a good one, too!
Verily, verily I say unto bil(ge), thou must strive to conquer thine ignorance lest thou become known as the “churlish Bastard.”
Amen, Alba. Thou hast spoken words of truth. Thou has smitten the ditrius of the churlish and evil bastards that infest our humble abode.
Thou shalt live thine life in reality . Keep on smiting!
and the name dale means a low depressed piece of dirt.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Bill_from_defcon Says:
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
BTW, this has NOTHING to do with the defcon members.
You are not God’s people…
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No matter how much Xtians try to spin the so-called “Old Testament” to make themselves included as “God’s chosen people” (their dogma says that by accepting JC as L&S, etc. they gain the pedigree) the scripture quoted from Chronicles (in fact ALL Old Testament scriprtural admonishments and rules) applies EXCLUSIVELY AND ONLY to JEWS. This is why Christians will always find themselves at odds with Jews. Christians have convinced themselves that Jesus, though a Jew, was somehow talking to them, when it fact, the Bilble clearly states that Jesus was talking exclusively to Jews and non-inclusively to Gentiles. Of course, bill will adamantly dispute the facts as they exist…..but then - what else is new?
Hast thou no wittier relpy? Hast thou no imagination? Thou wilt not stand before thine god until thine mouth is cured of it’s evilness.
Go forth and educate thyself.
Saul/Paul pulled off the greatest hoax in religious history.
CT has spokeneth words of wisdom.
We give you thanks and all due respect for your salient comments. Tou art blessed with a truthful and reasoned tongue, brother.
CT,
It is obvious that paul kijacked christianity from the “supposed” jesus. But then there was no evidence in the early church for a jesus character so it wasn’t that hard for him to pull it off.
That are was teeming with messiahs and magicians, prophets and priests of all kinds in that day.
The hardest thing for a Christian is to admit that their whole religion is based on a fabricated plot concocted from an very old story told decades after the fact and embellished continuosly over the centuries to the point that the original character is now devoid of his very ethnictiy.
It is such a shame as to be ludicrous that so many people attracted to the principals of Christianity can’t live a righteous life without hanging onto the myth.
One thing that makes me laugh is the way that the fundies declare that the KVG is the most authoritive translation of the bible. They don’t realize the bible is a flawed transliteration rather than a comprehensive translation.
“What We Must Do
We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world — its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create.”
Bertrand Russell - Why I Am Not a Christian
http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html
Well stated, CT.
The evolution of religion is very well documeted clear back through the Enuma Elish period, The earliest Epic of Gilgamesh, the Egyptians Anatouk devising the first monolitic religion- a true one- no three heads, and, after all that, the Romans capitalizing on it all. Pure genius, from a management standpoint, and here we have them still, with their pagan symbols, walking around as the evolved pagans they are.
Evangelicals called PBS some derogatory thing like Propagnada Broadcasting System. I wonder what they have to say about History Channel who aired a Bible documentary about two weeks ago. The show was all about Mesopatamia, Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish, and how the Bible could, in fact, just be a borrowed story.
Ohhhh, Alba, One of my favorite passages. You did know that I cut my baby teeth on B. Russell.
He died when I was in my last year of college.
At that time I was taking what I called a “bonehead course” (because it had nothing to do with engineering in my youthful mind) called something like ” a modern compendium of expository prose.”
Over the course, we had to turn in four drafts, then final papers on any subject we desired, written of course in a prose style.
Because engineering guys only write equations, I thought I would add some philosophical culture to my life so I staarted reading Russell.
To the professors delight, I wrote every paper on trying to refute Bertrand Russell! The headiness! I like to think he may have read one of them! (not really). But, anyway, Russell is a kind and forgiving guy, and he does give away his proneness to allowing people their mythical superstitions in some of his shorter works. There is some of his stuff that I am still trying to get my arms around…facinating writer. Nuff for now.
Thanks for posting that.
He had the answers to all those questions I had since I was nine years old.
Bill_from_defcon Says: Heartless, here is what Christ said about you, dale, and you kind
John 8:44
Actually, John said that Jesus said…
Here’s one right back atcha, nitwit. Matthew said that Jesus said:
“Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” - Matthew 7:1-5
Here is what Einstein said about the relationship between morality and myth. My personal opinion is that the statement is applicable to much more than morality. How about just life in general?
“The foundation of morality (life) should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action.”
Hey, I got heartless to read some Bible, how about that?
Hardly, asshole. Perhaps, I read the Bible more than you know. Perhaps, I interpret it different from you…and your “kind.”
Alba,
RE: 3:29
The reaction of the evangelicans was quite predictable.
Back in the days of my youth, all men of the cloth were well respected in our community, and, get this, they still are (most of them.)
Why? (I am going to break one of my own rules here for effect)
THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN THIS COMMUNITY ADMINISTER TO THE SPIRITUAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT THE POLITICAL NEEDS.
There, got that off my chest.
The fundamentalists think they have to have control over everything, and, up untill recently, most people would defer to the belif/ feelings of a clergy of any kind, (here we go again) UNTIL THEY WANT YOU TO START USING THEIR HOLY BOOK AS LAW OF THE LAND
Perhaps, it is fun to see how different translations twist and distort the story, all to control the pathetic minds of the flock.
150
(I shall have some fun and use one of the fundies and bills tactics)
Ahem,
bil(ge),
You said,
“Hey, I got heartless to read some Bible, how about that?”
Well, since people do have to read a comment to know what it is saying, it would be likely that Alba would read it, OK?
Good.
Now, Since you are confused on that,
Are you still wetting the bed as you said you were?
I hope you work that out. Nice to see you again! Don’t forget to wear the diapers!
“DECONSTRUCTING JERICHO”
From BIBLICAL ARCHEOLOGY SPECIAL but originally from Ha’aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999
By Ze’ev Herzog
Prof. Ze’ev Herzog teaches in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University. He took part in the excavations of Hazor and Megiddo with Yigael Yadin and in the digs at Tel Arad and Tel Be’er Sheva with Yohanan Aharoni. He has conducted digs at Tel Michal and Tel Gerisa and has recently begun digging at Tel Yaffo. He is the author of books on the city gate in Palestine and its neighbors and on two excavations, and has written a book summing up the archaeology of the ancient city.
Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, we did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon. Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn’t want to hear about it…”
http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/exodus.htm
And if they think the Jews are a stubborn people, glued to myth, they should take a closer look at the RRR!
comment by Professor Israel Finkelstein, Archaeologist, Tel Aviv University:
“Professor Herzog is essentially correct. At the beginning of the present century, archaeology in the Land of Israel was carried out with a far more fundamentalistic approach Only at a later stage arose a more sober view and doubts about the reliability of the biblical account of the Patriarchal Period and the Conquest of the Land, and so forth. In some subjects, and with regard to some eras, local finds are unambiguous and make clear that the biblical account does not comport with the reality. In other subjects, everything is open to interpretation.
The leading edge of the dispute today is the question whether the United Monarchy of David and Solomon was a large and glorious kingdom. Confrontation with the archaeological finds raises argument whether one should read the Bible literally. When all is said and done, the biblical text is highly ideological, and so one must learn to read between the lines.
Most people just don’t want to hear all this and are not comfortable with it. For scholars the matters are clear enough, and they know where there is, and is not, agreement, but they cannot compel the public to listen. By and l