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Eyebrows go up as Colburn says that the federal deficit is a bigger moral issue than abortion.
“The Hill newspaper says Senator Coburn (R-Oklahoma), who is a practicing physician, recently told reporters at the National Press Club in Washington, DC: “The greatest moral issue of our time isn’t abortion, it’s robbing our next generation of opportunity.” He asked: “You’re going to save a child from being aborted so they can be born into a debtor’s prison?”
Mark Crutcher, the founder and president of Life Dynamics, says Coburn’s comments are “moronic” and sound like something pro-abortion activists would say…”
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/gop_senator_says_federal_budge.php
Colburn is still an a**hole.
First veto override on water resource bill!! In seven goddamned years - one veto override. Perhaps the Congress will feel their gonads are a little larger now, and get together on some key issues.
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!
Did you keep up on what happened with the Cheney Impeachment vote via Kucinich? Just about killed me laughing, if it were so damn sad, and such an easily spun issue for Repubs.
So, Denis puts out the “Lets Impeach Cheney” thing. Does he do it for something the guy could actually be convicted of? Like say Illegal Wiretapping? Na, lets impeach him for something with so much plausible deniability, something so hard to prove we will never get a conviction…lying to us about Iraq. Yea, thats the ticket!
Stupid. Just ridiculously stupid. But hey, Pelosi said “Impeachment is not on the table” anyway, so who cares right? They are too busy doing things that actually matter to waste time on Impeachment. Lets just move along.
But wait…not so fast!
The Repubs are down with it! They want to force a vote! These guys just cant help themselves! They will obstruct ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING the Dems try to do! Even when its killing an Impeachment of Dick Cheney!
Dems did manage to table the issue, but barely.
And what was the message in the press? Nothing really, unless you waste your time with Fox. Then of course, it was that utter waste of space Gibson asking “doesnt Congress have anything better to do than impeach Dick Cheney?” Nothing about Republicans forcing the issue to be voted on. Nothing EVER about their obstructionism (in the Senate, they are filibustering at 3X the previous highest rate).
We are screwed till 08, and then you better just PRAY (if thats your thing) that Hillary is elected.
Searcher: “How can I know if what you tell me is true?” The Ancient One responded: “Friend, unless it exists, you cannot know the Truth. For if there is no objective Truth, then why be deluded? Better try instead to enjoy the brief time left to your pointless existence! But what if a deeper reality actually exists? To be real, the Truth must stand alone; everything contradicting it must be counterfeit!” Anon.
Alba,
“Colburn is still an a**hole.” But I do give him credit for his statement on the deficit.
Or did you mean Critcher is an a hole?
Alba @ 11:54
Truer words were never written.
What a joke!! Time Magazine has run a Nov 5 article entitled, “An Evangelical Rethink on Divorce?” It appears that even though evangelicals have a divorce rate equivalent with the national avg., they are now trying to move quotation marks around to make it appear that the Bible actually says…
The author expresses the hope(?) that if the fundies can justify their stance on divorce (like the bible has ever stopped them from divorcing!), perhaps they will someday be able to adjust their position on homosexuality.
Is it cold in hell today?
Here’s the link to the story:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1680709,00.html
Colburn and Crutcher are still assholes, but you’re right - I’ll give him credit for his statement…while I wait for the “What I meant to say was…” line of BS that is sure to come.
JW, I’m personally not thrilled with any of the candidates, nor the Congress. Perhaps I am impatient, I had hoped for more action; or perhaps when Hilary gets elected, she and the Congress together can begin progressing. I really want someone with an iron-fisted commitment to getting our troops out of Iraq. Perhaps she is telling the truth when she says it’ll take more time; to me it just sounds like more of the same BS that Bush has been spewing for years.
She’s stated quite clearly that she will pull most out immediately, leaving only small numbers to hit terrorist cells, and consult with Iraqis. It will take time though, because you need an orderly withdrawl in order to minimize any casualties. This is just how it has to be. Same with any military pull out. Needs to be orderly.
As for the congress and senate, I hate our media. “Democrat controlled” is every where. Answer me this; When passing ANY legislation REQUIRES Republican help, how are Democrats in control? As it stands, they have a thin majority in the congress, and really no majority in the Senate, though there are two ind. senators who are usually counted as democrats (Joe Lieberman is NO Democrat though, so Im unclear as to why this is). When looking at the Senate in particular, a filibuster can derail ANY legislation. To stop a Filibuster, you need 60 votes. There are 49 dems in the Senate (51 if you count ind. senators). So, without Republicans voting to end the filibuster, Dems cant even force a VOTE on legislation, let alone force it to pass. When talking about forcing the pres to pull out, Liberman votes agaist dems, so there its only 50.
And then you have a Veto, which requires 2/3 of both the congress and Senate to overide. They simply cannot get it done. Even if the Senate could come up with the 10 Repus to get past a filibuster, they cant get the 69 or so to get past a veto. In the congress, its an even bigger problem, because they need something like 75 Repubs to vote with them. Yea RIGHT!
On top of all of this, the law is such that they cant force the President to pull the troops out PERIOD. They could deny funding, but it would just be the dumbest thing ever. First, the president can just pull discretionary spending from the defense budget to fund the war, so he wouldnt need to pull the troops out even if congress wont fund his bills. Second, there would just be a huge media blitz by Republicans talking about how bad Dems are for denying funding. Last time there was a funding clash like this, Clinton came out smelling like a rose, and Newt Gingrich was relegated to “Completely Powerless” for the rest of his term.
Anyway, it drives me nuts to watch the media pull that ‘democrat controlled’ stuff for two reasons. A) its a lie, or at best horrible journalism because it misinforms the public, which is the job of Fox News, not real journalists. B) The only reason it works is becasue Americans are so damn ignorant of how their own government works they buy it, and in a democracy that SUCKS.
Finally, I want Hillary because as bad as Iraq is, we have other problems that are just as big, if not bigger in how they will effect the future of this country. Globalization is not nice. Its ultra competitive. On the flip side it also represents insane amounts of opportunity. This current admn has vastly hindered our competitiveness by scrapping scientific research funding, building up insane debt, and ignoring the crisis we have building in both energy security and education. Looking at what Bill did, and what Hillary is proposing, the Clinton’s get it, and they have good ideas on how to deal with it.
I hope it never gets to the place here where we see what is happening in Pakistan as I write this.
Constitution suspended. Mass demonstrations.
Al Qeada is poised to gain ground and then there is the nuke capability. They have 50- 60 warheads.
This is a very volitile situation.
Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is pushing on Maasuraf to step down as head of the military. She is the former prime minister. I still haven’t figured out how this has come about.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1682417,00.html
Dale,
There is a book called Three Cups of Tea that you might enjoy. Its about an American who attempted to climb K2, got lost on the way down, ended up in a small village, and has spent the last 20 or so years building secular schools in Pakistan. It doesnt go into your question of how this has happened there specifically, but it does give one particular insight; While he was building schools, he was trying like mad to get the funding. Everytime he went back to build a school after procuring funding in the US, he would see several new Madrassas, funded by the Saudis.
Part of why this is happening in Pakistan is that the Saudi Royals placate their poor, ultra fundamentalist society by giving to the Mullahs, who are proponents of Wahhabi Islam. These Mullahs then take the funds and are using them to spread radical wahhabi islam around the globe in the form of Religious schools…Madrassas…which teach little more than the wahhabi brand of islam. Places like Indonesia, Pakistan, the Philippines have all felt the impacts. While the guy in “Three Cups of Tea” has gotten pretty good funding by the end of the book, its nothing compared to the millions Wahhabi Islamists from Saudi are funding new Madrassas with. Osama Bin Ladden is one product of Wahhabism.
And for a catalist to the current issues in Pakistan, do a google search on “The Red Mosque” and read about what happened there. Also, check out Pakistan’s deal with the remnants of the Talliban, who are now in the lawless tribal areas on the western border.
JW,
Thanks for the tip on that book. Sounds interesting.
I plan to do some research on the Pakistan situation this evening.
JW whines, “The only reason it works is becasue Americans are so damn ignorant of how their own government works…”
That’s right deathconners are right and the overwhelming number of Americans are all wrong.
Another absurd statement from the troll. A random rant with no meaning or explanation. Typical nonsense.
Bill,
Unless you have some knowledge of how our government works that I dont, or have some insight into how the Dems actually DO control both houses of congress despite being uable to stop a fiibuster or over ride a veto, STFU.
Dale,
I dont envy Musharraf. As far as I can tell, hes stuck betwen a rock and a hard place.
Rock; This is the bigger problem in my view- Militant Islam. Ive talked about how the Saudis are spreading Wahhabi Islam to Pakistan and other places. Unfortunatley, for many in Pakistan, these Saudi funded Wahhabi Madrassas are the only schools available. Couple that with poverty and youve got tinder ready to take fire. He cant placate them, because the USA is putting pressure on him like mad to fight Islamic extremists. Also, the intelegence agency in Pakistan (ISI) is filled with supporters of, if not Wahhabism, then the Talliban. They have been supporting the Talliban since the days of the Soviets in Afghanistan (much of the time with CIA funding). They have friends in the Talliban. And these people (The ISI) and their support are pivotal for Musharraf to hold power. This is why he had to deal with the Talliban in the tribal areas, rather than just crush them militarily. Also, the events at the Red Mosque have sparked a surge in militant activities including suicide bombings.
The Hard Place; The Secularist who want Democracy.
These people are putting up a serious fight. Im not as up to date on them yet. However, there has been a particular member of the Pakistani Supreme Court who Musharraf has been dealing with for a while now. He booted the guy from the bench six years or a year ago and that sparked all kinds of demonstrations in the Legal community. He wa returned to the bench not long ago. However, this seems to have emboldened the secular democrats. Further capitulation in the form of allowing former PM Buhtto back in the country has further emboldened their demands, and it appears that Musharraf is going to go even further, allowing her freedom after less than a day of house arrest, and allowing elections in February.
Anway, the secular democrats and the militant islamists are in direct opposition to eachother. Musharraf is stuck in the middle, trying to keep both under control without causing a general breakdown in society via protests and bombings, and at the same time trying to protect himself from a coup. I am happy to see he seems to be pushing in the direction of the Secularists and Democracy, rather than capitulations with the radical Islamists, but the situation looks, to me at least, to be extremely volatile.
Im really surprised at the current administration. Bush is consistantly beating the drums of war in regards to Iran due to a percieved threat of them gaining nukes and giving them to radical islamists. Mean while, Pakistan, with a proven nuclear arsenal of 50-60 warheads, a history of dissemination of their nuke tech to less than friendly nation states (N. Korea) and a large militant islamic population, all coupled with hosting the new Al Qaeda safe haven…and its barely on his talking points list.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
dale Says:
…no meaning or explanation
What part of your arrogant did you not understand? He he he
“He booted the guy from the bench six years or a year ago ”
Sorry, that should have been “Six MONTHS or a year ago”.
wow, jw is human too.
like I said, November 9th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Bill_from_defcon Says:
JW whines, “The only reason it works is becasue Americans are so damn ignorant of how their own government works…”
That’s right deathconners are right and the overwhelming number of Americans are all wrong.
“That’s right deathconners are right and the overwhelming number of Americans are all wrong. ”
If they think Democrats CONTROL both houses of congress, yes, they are.
BTW Bill,
I know Fox likes to make you think everything is a matter of opinion, but this isnt. Its a fact. And while youre entitled to your own opinions, you arent entitled to your own facts. Democrats do not CONTROL congress because they cannot do ANYTHING to ensure enactment of ANYTHING without Republican help.
jw you’re the one who has the OPINION that “Americans are so damn ignorant of how their own government works”
ALSO, I seldom watch Fox
bill seldom has any type of idea of reality whatsoever. Let lone watching a TV show. He admits he in incapable of understanding even the most elementary of even the FOX shows. He is beyond FOX. Hmmm beyond help.
bill,
There is no reason that you should state that the only person that you relate to is Ken Ham. We know you are a Hammite. You come here to support Ken Ham, your god man teacher. You can worship Ken Ham if yo want to. No problem. Go ahead.
Ken Ham is a …….. well… he is a loser. Questions?
Your Daily Dinesh
Posted Nov 8th 2007 11:58PM by Dinesh D’Souza
Basically Dawkins is saying if you are religious, then science is your enemy. Either you choose God or you choose science. No wonder that so many Americans say they are opposed to evolution. They believe that evolution is atheism masquerading as science, and Dawkins confirms their suspicions. Indeed Dawkins takes the same position as the most ignorant fundamentalist: you can have Darwin or you can have the Bible but you can’t have both.
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Dinesh and bill have a lot in common…especially their special ability to interpret what other’s are actually saying….including God.
BTW, bill, before you get your knickers in a knot…..THAT was another example of sarcasm.
Hello Gang!
I would highly encourage you (plead even) that you listen to the recording of John Dean apeaking at the Commonwealth Club. The tapes are available via web streaming and on I tunes as Podcasts
If you are not aware Dean was part of the whole Watergate scandel as a member of Nixon’s staff. Dean remains a conservative but speaks about the evolution of the republican conservative party to the “conservatives without conscious” far away removed from classic Goldwater conservatism.
Unfortunately the RR play a huge part in this concerted effort to the create the “unitary pressident”.
Dean outlines scientific studies that empirically prove the “authoritary” personality in two forms; one as follower and social leader. This study is critical in understanding the RR influence and psyhchology.
I have not heard anyone construct the whole maligned system in a comprehensive manner that all can get there mind around.
Please, please, please listen to this episode of the CW club.
It would be great to discuss this tape (and in the future) the book.
Perhaps Eliza could set aside a Friday Open discussion on this subject. I am anxious to hear peoples reactions.
Best,
Waxxer
I meant conservatives without consience!! Freudian slip perhaps..
Again, please listen!!
good posts Jw and waxxer!
Waxxer, did Dean speak about the power and influence of the Rabid Religious Reich?
Even though impeachment of President Shitforbrains and VP Vader would fail, I think it’s important to start the process, because doing so would guarantee that the misdeeds of both and of others in their admin would be made known to the public.
The lies about the reasons for invading Iraq ARE impeachable offenses.
And they are to me more offensive than the many underminings of constitutional rights that have been done by this admin.
Even though the Democrats can’t stop a filibuster or override a veto, they DO control the agenda of both houses of congress, and they do get to decide what issues should be investigated in hearings.
This gives them the ability to get the misdeeds aired to the public.
“…impeachment of President Shitforbrains”
Don I thought he was impeached,
Your talking about Bill Clinton, right.
Here is something Good to read,
November 10
Read Acts 4 — 6
In Today’s Scripture Reading:
Peter and John imprisoned; believers share their possessions; Ananias and Sapphira; seven helpers chosen; Stephen’s arrest
Loyalty to the Lord and love for one another permeated the first Church. The multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought (any) of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. . . . as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need (Acts 4:32,34-37). Undoubtedly, this was a great encouragement to the congregation because most Jews who confessed Jesus as the Messiah had probably lost their jobs.
Ananias and his wife Sapphira also sold a piece of property; but, they gave only a part of the proceeds to the Church while implying they were giving everything just as others had done (5:1-2). The property was theirs to dispose of as they chose. All giving was voluntary (5:4). No one was required to sell his property or to share his wealth, but, the “generous gift” of Ananias and Sapphira was a lie to the Holy Ghost (Spirit) (5:3; Revelation 21:8; Jeremiah 17:9).
The problem today is even more serious, not because Christians keep part of the proceeds of a sale, but because many refuse to give even a tithe (10%) of their income, the minimum that God requires for the ministry of His Word. Tithing is not an option; it is a debt we owe. God rightfully owns all that He created, but He only requires us to return to Him one-tenth of what He has entrusted to us, thereby acknowledging that we are only stewards (managers) of His property.
This principle was demonstrated by Abraham over 500 years before the Law was given (Genesis 14:20; Hebrews 7:1-2). Later, the Law stated: All the tithe (tenth portion) of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’s: it is holy (sacred, set apart) unto the LORD (Leviticus 27:30).
The Holy Spirit also directed Luke to write that you can’t outgive God, who said: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal (measure anything) it shall be measured to you again (Luke 6:38).
Nite,
fyi,
http://www.biblepathway.org/English/InDepthDailyDev.htm
Nope, bill. I meant President Shitforbrains, who has committed many more serious impeachable acts than Clinton’s lying about getting blowjobs. Clinton’s blowjobs didn’t cause the unnecessary loss of more than 3,000 lives and many more maimed, and the destabilization of the middle east.
JW,
Thanks for the 4:27 post. This is a most serious and interesting event going on in Pakistan.
As you alluded, it is curious that this is not recieving more attention.
JW,
I see Benazir Bhutto is stirring things up again today. She is going to get herself killed!
Reminder:
November 13 2007: “Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial”
PBS 8PM
This is a Nova special on the Dover Case. The Intelligent Design crowd made fools of themselves in this one.
It was proven that they lied and decieved people from the start. This proof is public record.
So, any fundies out there that think your leaders are honest and forthcoming individuals, you are wrong.
I read where this show spends time interviewing the local citizens, etc, as opposed to spending the whole time on just the trial.
As I reported a couple days ago, Ken Ham is mass mailing Video News Releases to small TV stations all over the country. These are fake news shows with fake reporters. Most stations never play these except for filler material.
They concentrate on mailing this horseshit to very poor zipcodes, guess why? More ignorant people.
The VNR opens with Ham lying:
“You see, we live in a scientific age, an era of history in which science supposedly contradicts the Bible. We are showing people that creationists are real scientists, and that real observational science actually confirms the Bible’s history. And so if its history is true, then the rest of the Bible is true.”
Science “supposedly” contradicts the bible? Lie #1 Science does prove the bible is merely an ancient book of myths.
Creationists are “real” scientists? Lie #2 There is virtually no scientific work done by creabots. They only can throw ignorant criticism at work done by valid science.
Observational science “confirms” the bible’s “history?” Lie #3 What observational science?
And……drum roll…..
“And so if its history is true, then the rest of the Bible is true.” Lie #4
If Ham is as smart as some say he is, he knows goddamned well that is a non-sequitor and a logical fallacy.
Even if something showed the history to be true, it says nothing of the rest of the bible.
Oh, please send AIG your money so Ken can achieve his desire to have a vacation home on Saipan.
Did you all know that Ken Ham regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs? Even while he vacations. Mostly, he doesn’t mention names, but refers to “those who mock,” “protesters on opening day,” etc…
For example, Nov 3 - “I still remember the mocking of certain people in
the secular world that the Museum would fail as people would not be
interested–…”
Secular world? As if these idiots live in a different world? Blinders, anyone?
Don Rettmann Says:
Waxxer, did Dean speak about the power and influence of the Rabid Religious Reich?
Absolutely! This is one of the more fascinating parts of the talk. He addresses the RR influence,psychology and fascist nature.
Aside from RR he also speaks to the study done by scientists to determine if a Hitler could rise again. Guess who most emulates this possibility—you got it right!! The RR.
Did you all know that Ken Ham regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs?
NOTICE THE QUESTION MARK, meaning this is not a statement but, in fact a question.
Mostly, he doesn’t mention names, but…
YEA, that means the answer to the question is NO; Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs.
I wonder who he (Hamsterhead) means when he refers to “certain people in the secular world” who mock him? I also wonder how Bill can know with certainty that he (Hamsterhead) is NOT referring to DefCon when he speaks of those that mock him. Notice how emphatically Bill is able to speak on behalf of Ham: “…NO; Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers(SIC) to DefCon…”
It’s almost as if he can KNOW what his God (Ham) is thinking!
File this under: “Thanks, but no thanks….”
MEREDITH, N.H. (AP) - John McCain’s 95-year-old mother, in a swipe at her son’s rival Mitt Romney, said Friday that Mormons were to blame for the scandal that rocked the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics.
During an appearance on MSNBC, Roberta McCain laid out why her son, John, deserves to win the Republican presidential nomination. But in evaluating McCain’s primary rivals, she criticized Romney’s Mormon faith and his time in Salt Lake City.
“As far as the Salt Lake City thing, he’s a Mormon and the Mormons of Salt Lake City had caused that scandal. And to clean that up, again, it’s not a subject,” Roberta McCain said.
John McCain quickly stepped in: “The views of my mothers are not necessarily the views of mine.”
“Well, that’s my view and you asked me,” Roberta answered.
The Salt Lake Organizing Committee had enticed International Olympics officials with lavish gifts and accusations of bribery mired the Games in scandal while resignations sullied the region’s reputation.
Utah officials tapped Romney to lead the effort and as president and CEO of the organizing committee he pared the budget, boosted revenues and worked to repair the committee’s reputation.
A Romney campaign spokesman said the McCains made a mistake.
“I would disagree with any candidate or any campaign surrogate that chooses to disparage someone based on the faith that they hold, and instead implore other candidates and their campaigns to make a case to voters based on the important issues facing the nation,” said Kevin Madden.
Roberta McCain immediately apologized to her son.
“I didn’t mean to say it,” she said as they stepped away from the cameras.
McCain told The Associated Press after the interview that his mother misspoke.
“Mormons are great people and the fact that Mitt Romney is a Mormon should play no role whatsoever in people’s decision,” McCain said.
“What she meant was the Olympics were screwed up by the people in Salt Lake when Romney came in and fixed the problems there. But I know my 95-year-old mother is certainly in favor of Mormons.”
Mmmm hmmm.
Let me see. I wonder who in the world the Hamster could be referring to when he mentions “the protestors on opening day.”? Gee…hmmmm oh! That would be the rational beings fron DefCon. Skipity do dah.
I am sure you have all sent in your money to the Hamsterhead to help finance his vacation home in Saipan. OK. Just checking.
refers(SIC)???
Heartless, Why the sic?
Bilbo, read you sentence, and then ask your idiotic question: Why the sic?
“Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon”
Duh???
How is everybody doing? I have been over the other threads, and although I don’t post too much, I see that there is still a hate-filled person trying to preach his insane lies to everyone on Defcon. I believe in God, but I don’t believe in the likes of Bill and the hypocrites he supports. Defcon is not anti-christian, and we still have a liar that wants to push such sick words on everybody. People can voice their personal opinions on a blog, and if they question Christianity or even attack certain aspects of it with their opinions, that is still their right. I guess whenever an extreme right-winger tells lies or spreads words of condemnation and mockery it doesn’t count as hate since they claim to be Christian and think they can get away with anything. Perhaps if some of these right-wing extremist saw StopBushLies.com, that wouldn’t even help them. They’d still bow down to turning this country into a dictatorship. They ignore the scandels within the religious right and everyone who doesn’t believe in them they accuse as “anti-christian.” These stereotypical lies from the extreme right are absolutely sick and I have no tolerance for the likes of the Bills of the world. Of course I’m giving this idiot a reason to lie and condemn further, since that’s all he’s here to do. Yes Christ loves us, even if you don’t believe. I can’t prove the existence of a God, no one can, but God would never be like Bill or the RR.
It’s the moderates who are still in the main stream America that have to put this country back together. Impeach Bush and Cheney and stop the unconstitutional laws of the Patriot Act. Get diversity back into place not a one way extreme right culture. The Islamic taliban and the RR reflect each other in many ways, and both as are right wing as the other.
Ross,
“I have no tolerance for the likes of the Bills of the world”. Oh man. Are you joining those who would like to see unswerving, unbending Christians abolished from the town square of human thought and public opinion? Jesus taught there are only two types of people in this world - children of the devil (darkness) and children of God (light). Which is Bill?
“I can’t prove the existence of a God” - yep, you been brainwashed by the atheistic, humanist rejection of logic that says “there is no proof for God.” Simply look around you, open your eyes, exercise your mind and you will know that what you see and experience is no evolutionary accident.
Thanks Waxxer. I’m delighted that Dean spoke about the RRR.
Thanks Ross.
Bill is obsessed with us.
He is obsessed with me.
Bill actually took the time to try to find out where I live. He got the state right, but not the town. So, I told him what town I live in.
He assumed I would be frightened that he was finding where I live. I wasn’t. I asked him if he wanted to come over and visit. He demurred.
Obsessive, that.
Don, you are kidding, right?
And Mark, perhaps Jesus was mistaken in his thoughts. I have always heard that we are all God’s children.
Jesus didn’t say Love your neighbor…but only if he’s a fundie like you.
Nope. Bill and I had that exchange awhile ago. He knows I use my real name here, and he actually took the time to try to find me.
Obsessive and an attempt at intimidation.
Markie,
According to Jesus and his classifications, which would the Jews be?Darkness or light? How about those tribal folk who have never heard of God, or been touched by missionary fruit loops? Which would they be? Darkness or light?
Wow is all I can say, Don! You’ve never hidden your identity; in what way could that nitwit attempt to intimidate you? I am at a loss for words, there.
Bill, why exactly would you want to know where Don lives? How about the rest of us, Mentally Ill Bill? Would you like to know where all of us are located? You sick bastard.
CT,
That is too funny! I love to watch all the different xtian sects ripping each other apart. It’s so christian-like.
Mark,
It is not what bill believes that causes the problem. It is the sophomoric vain attempts at attention getting and disruptive activities he plays with. He plays around with vague circumlocutions like a teenager playing with his pecker.
He came here originally when we were running our campaign on the Hamseum and he bragged he was going to expose DefCon as liars, etc, etc, etc.
Then he actually told us that he was going to plug up the site with crap and shut it down. When Clark went through his personal trials and no new threads were posted for a few days bill was bragging that he had succeeded in bringing about the demise of DefCon.
bill is a very misguided individual. He’s nothing like you, Mark. He is undoubtedly undereducated and has never communicated on a mature level.
His goal is specifically to disrupt and be obnoxious. Christian, that.
Albatross, the exchange between bill and me about my location occurred some time back on one of the DefCon threads. He may have just been curious where I live, but I took it as an attempt to intimidate me, that he was finding out where I live.
He asked if I live in Bethany, CT or another town (I forget which). I replied no, and told him I’m in the town of Wethersfield. I then asked if he wanted to come over, and he replied “Nope”.
What would you call a person that hates hypocrits - a hypocriphobe?
whaddya think, bill? Are we all hypocriphones because we pick on your sorry ass? No, wait…that word is no good. That would mean “fear” of hypocrits. And certainly nobody fears bill. I need a word here, people. No - I HATE hypocrits. Hmmmmm……….somebody???
Thanks Jumper,
I guess you have gone back to your old ways of joining the likes of Bill. I had respect for you, but now I’m questioning it again. Bill is not a Christian as they should be. No one is brainwashed but the followers of the RR and those that follow Bush. Jumper wake up and see the damage the RR has allowed Bush to do. I know plenty of liberals and moderates who would profess their belief in God, and they are much better people than the Bills of the world would ever be. If you want to follow in the shadow of the Bills of the world, go ahead Mark, but Bush and the RR have messed up this country more than it has ever been. Believe in war all you want, and execution if that’s what you cherish, but I do see the points of Defcon, and I don’t believe they are all against the whole of Christianity. Both you and Bill have condemned somebody to hell in your words. Is that what a true believer would do? That is a horrible thing to do. I wouldn’t even say that about Falwell, despite the damage he did. If being like Bush and the RR is being Christian, God help Chirstianity. Mark, open your eyes yourself if you can, because you have already saw the damage Bush has done. Bill has been brainwashed by the followers of Bush, and the only way to save America is to bring back diversity and for people to learn to accept others with different paths of faith or ways of religion.
And I can also mentally feel that there is a God, but that’s just me. No one can physically prove God exists, we can only believe. I believe in evolution as a possible tool for creation. I believe Christ would be a kind, caring, forgiving person to people on both sides of the spectrum. I don’t believe he would condemn Dale or anyone else here for their opinions from what they have seen in the world, including the damage done by fanatics of all religion, from Islam to Christanity. Bill loves to cause chaos by using his words to condemn those he disagrees with. This idea that America is a right-wing fanatical nation only is a lie, and the truth has been coming out for years now.
Here is just another case where bill shows how ignorant he is of the English language.
“”Did you all know that Ken Ham regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs?”
NOTICE THE QUESTION MARK, meaning this is not a statement but, in fact a question.”"
He factures all logic. He thinks because that is a question that the fact that Ham refers to DecCon is not true. But the question is not if Ham refers to DefCon, the question is if we all know it! He is one ignorant fu*ker.
Then when we point out his fractured logic, he is so ignorant that he cannot see it and then he will proceed to criticize everybody on their typos, thinking he is doing what we are doing, all the while never catching on ow stupid he looks.
He also uses his typo citicizing to ignore questions he cannot answer. It is very common for some one to send a four paragraph observation and a question and bill will respond by pointing out they spelled some word wrong. He absolutely doesn’t get it. It is hysterical. He is a fu*king dunce.
He doesn’t catch on to the fact that a person will spell a word correctly numbers of times and one typo is just a typo. The man is a rediculous boor. Meanwhile bill still does not know the difference between the words to and too, then and than, and countless other third grade shit. He also cannot conjugate the verb ask and many others.
ow, you really want us to repect someone who does not even have a basic command of the English language and the only book he ever read was by Ken Ham? Give me a fu*king break, Mark. You know better.
Great post, Ross.
That is what DefCon is. MJ and his ilk would like to paint all DefCon contributors as evil, atheistic, evolutionists. And now, poor you, we’ve managed to brainwash you. (she says sarcastically.)
I have much respect for those of any religious persuasion unless and until they try to force their beliefs on me and mine, whether personally, or through legislation. And I’ve been there enough with too many who cannot return the favor of allowing me my beliefs without trying to “save me” or when that doesn’t work, have pity and pray for my soul.
And could someone PLEASE tell the freaking Jehovah’s to stop knocking on my door every g**damned Saturday. Drop the phony high-pitched sickly sweet voice and MOVE ON!!!
Ross - once again, I thoroughly enjoyed your posts…..and once again, Marj, you’ve confirmed that you are a complete __________(fill in the blank appropriately) and deserve the derision you inspire.
Ross,
Thanks for some wise insights.
I will say that I do generally respond very favorably to people who are actually Christian-like.
There is nothing whatsoever Christian-like about bill.
Yeah, MJ is a flip-flopper. He goes from finding Bill despicable, annoying, and a fool, to supporting him. Whateva, as my 12 yr old would say!
There is very little that I find in common with MJ. We can meet halfway on nasty neoconservatives, but as soon as I point out that the RRR is married to them - he draws a blank.
Several Christian conservative leaders gravitating toward him
12:00 AM CST on Saturday, November 10, 2007
By WAYNE SLATER / The Dallas Morning News
wslater@dallasnews.com
Several Christian conservative leaders, troubled by the appearance the movement is divided, are moving toward Republican Mike Huckabee in hopes of making him the consensus candidate of the religious right.
[Click image for a larger version] BRANDON THIBODEAUX/Special Contributor
BRANDON THIBODEAUX/Special Contributor
Mike Huckabee (left), with Prestonwood Baptist pastor Jack Graham, delivered a sermon at the Plano church Sunday.
The effort seeks to blunt the impact of recent high-profile endorsements for other presidential candidates, notably televangelist Pat Robertson’s support of Rudy Giuliani.
Mr. Giuliani faces stiff opposition from many social conservatives because he supports abortion rights and gay rights.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-huckabee_10nat.ART.State.Edition1.41fec0a.html
It will be interesting to see what the next response from the grand Poo-Bah, Dobson, will be.
He is stewing in his own juices. hehe
Good find, Alba. Right in line with our mission. Keep them exposed and watch them with a wary eye. That’s our job.
Now, for some nice clean Saturday evening entertainment, from the home state of the creation museum, see this:
LONDON, Kentucky –As a woman bitten by a rattlesnake during a church service in London struggled to breathe, hospital employees made derogatory comments about her religious beliefs rather than providing proper care, contributing to her death, a lawsuit charges.
I think they should sue god.
This the type of thing that fundamentalism is about. And fundies wonder why we watch them with a wary eye?
http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/story/224771.html
of course they are going to make derogotory remarks! These people are bat shit crazy!
The preacher of this congregation should be charged with murder for allowing this.
I am only wondering if this was a talking snake with larnyx and attendant vocal chords.
Here we have some more RR nuttiness for your Saturday evening enjoyment.
I post the entire blog by Ed Brayton over at Dispatches from the Cuture Wars.
“More pointless public policy:
What to do when the rain won’t come? If you’re Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue, you pray.
The governor will host a prayer service next week to ask for relief from the drought gripping the Southeast.
“The only solution is rain, and the only place we get that is from a higher power,” Perdue spokesman Bert Brantley said on Wednesday.
Why stop there? Why not hold a ceremony where 1000 people throw salt over their shoulders? Or sacrifice a goat? Or bring in a voodoo priestess to throw chicken blood around the place? The possibilities are endless. Indian rain dances. I’m sure there’s some particular crystal that is supposed to bring good weather. Maybe Alyssa Milano can show up with some magic spell. Or maybe we can just wait for weather patterns to shift, as they will.”
Zippity doo dah.!
Dale? Is your last name McGowan?
Atheist parents say raising nonbelievers a challenge
By Lilly Fowler
(UNDATED) Dale McGowan has developed two ground rules for his mother-in-law with regard to his children: Don’t discourage them from having doubts about the existence of God, and don’t tell them they’re going to hell. Other than that, everything else is fair game. McGowan, the author of “Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Caring, Ethical Kids Without Religion,” says he came up with the two guidelines as his family was trying to negotiate the relationship between his three children and their evangelical grandmother. McGowan says he doesn’t want his children to identify with any particular religion until they are old enough to decide for themselves. But McGowan is the first to admit that the kind of environment he has chosen to raise his children in doesn’t always bode well with the rest of society.
Ahhh! A family after my own heart. Raise your kids with good ethics. Let them form their own beliefs about that which is invisible.
Dale, don’t answer that last question. Don has revealed that Bill is a stalker. A freaking mentally ill nitwit has graced us with his presence and he’s a stalker, too!
Alba,
If I had any kids left at home, I would definitely be reading McGowan’s stuff.
Of course some parents will not allow their kids to make up their own minds. They understand that the kids need to be well brainwashed by the time they are six years old.
Now, in that same vein:
“Is the mere act of questioning religion an attack on it?
There are religious believers who seem to think so. An increasingly common refrain among religious writers and leaders is that the recent surge of atheist writing is unacceptably offensive and insulting. Intolerant, even.
I’m not going to say atheists are never rude. But much of the time, atheists get accused of offensiveness and intolerance for saying things like:
“I don’t agree with you.”
‘I don’t think you’ve made your case.”
“That doesn’t make any sense.”
“What evidence do you have to support that?”"
You can read the rest over at Greta Christina’s blog .
Alba,
Yeah, I read that post from Don. bill has definitely made some very scary statements in the past. I was thinking he might be capable of violence which is the next step for a stalker.
…I don’t, in fact, claim that I know there is no God, - from Greta Christina’s blog .
Greta wouldn’t fit in here would she.
November 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Albatross Says:
Bilbo, read you sentence, and then ask your idiotic question: Why the sic?
“Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon”
November 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Albatross Says:
Duh???
+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+==≠=
Heartless WHY WOULD YOU CORRECT YOUR OWN QUOTE?????
November 10th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Albatross Says:
Did you all know that Ken Ham regularly ////refers\\\\\\ to DefCon in his daily blogs? Even while he vacations. Mostly, he doesn’t mention names, but refers to “those who mock,” “protesters on opening day,” etc…
its was a POW, play on words. ha ha ha
I see bill is quote mining again. There has never been anyone on DefCon, EVER, that has claimed they know there is no god. As I posted above, even before this stupid statement by bill, we often hear, “What evidence do you have to support a god.” Hint- The bible or Intelligent Design do not qualify as evidence as was shown in the Dover Trial by Judge Jones.
By the way, I just had a revelation as I was reading bill’s screed.
Is it OK to discriminate against stupidity?
bil,
Greta Christina would rip you an new asshole.
Albatross says: “…Did you all know that Ken Ham regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs?”
Bilbo says: “Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon”
Now Bill, try as you may, sweetheart, but my use of the word red refers is 100% correct. Yours, on the other hand, shows a complete misuse of the English language. Nice try idiot.
No, Dale, it’s not OK to discriminate, even against stupidity. But when one stupid person persists in being a pain in the ass, you can mock him til you turn blue, OK?
Oh, a POW, aha ha ha.
Play on words. Funny how the ignorant can’t own their ignorance!! You’re a moron …wait, you’re a MORON!! You deserve all CAPS for your idiocy, your moronic behavior, your mental deficiency…
On the refer/refers issue.
bill…..still….does…..not….get….it…..AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
And then he tries to masquerade as credible on what?
A Charlie Brown moment! Ahhhh!!!!!!
Ham does not refers…
Ham refers…
Ham does not refers…
Thank God my schools believed in not passing us along until we understood proper verb usage.
Alba,
You said:
“No, Dale, it’s not OK to discriminate, even against stupidity.”
Awe shucks. I better put that on my list for Lent. Sorry…….
Then when we point out his fractured logic, he is so ignorant that he cannot see it and then he will proceed to criticize everybody on their typos, thinking he is doing what we are doing…
dale, you wrote a LONG post as to how I had no knowledge of the English language and your post was filled with mistakes. if you don’t want to be exposed, then don’t post attacks.
Amen to your 9:27, Alba. My 93 year old mother would kick the shit outta bil(ge) for his grammar, let alone the syntax. Then she’d kick the shit out of him again for his fractured logic.
Well, I said you could mock all you want
. Bilbo gives us plenty to play with, eh?
Frightening about the stalking shit, though. To think we’ve all opened so many doors by saying where we’re at.
cir·cum·lo·cu·tion (sûrkm-l-kyshn)
NOUN:
The use of unnecessarily wordy and indirect language.
I have to say your words choices amuse me. When I read your post I had no clue what circumlocutions meant. However, after looking up the definition I find that you didn’t either. Humorous that.
I’d be right behind her, Dale!
It’s not typos, Bilbo, you dyslexic sex toy, that makes people nuts! Are you from America, Bill? If you said, no, you’d have a semi-good excuse. Otherwise, you’re just a total dimwit.
bil(ge),
My post was most eloquent and further, most intelligable. You and everybody else knew exactly what I was saying. No ambiguities. No veiled circumlocutions.
Again, instead of replying to the point, you circumvent. Good try.
words choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again……………
ROFL!!!!! Thanks, Bill. You are just what I need today!!! You idiot!
bil(ge) said,
“However, after looking up the definition I find that you didn’t either.”
I know you don’t bill, and I am not going to try to explain it. If there is anybody else that has a problem with my verb, please chime in. My use of that word is absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt valid, and you are fu*king nuts.
cir·cum·lo·cu·tion (sûr’kəm-lō-kyōō’shən) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. The use of unnecessarily wordy and indirect language.
2. Evasion in speech or writing.
3. A roundabout expression.
Alba,
I am in stitches here. I burst out laughing for a sec and my wife hollered out to see if I was OK.
This is a case of not only showing his ignorance, bil(ge) is MAGNIFYING it…. tooo funny. !
Bilbo, tell me, please. Do you understand NOW why there was a SIC after your “Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon” post??
Anything?? Earth to Bilbo?
Is there anyone, anyone here who believes that these statements came from the same person?
1. “…you have NO qualification to make such claims. Of course massive deficiency of ability, talent, or trained competent skill has never stopped you from making you outrageous, lunatic claims before, so why should it now?
Once again you display your typical ignorant sentiment toward the mentally ill; your actions are filled with malice and sadly are designed to deliberately bring about pain and produce distress.”
2. “YEA, that means the answer to the question is NO; Ken Ham DOES NOT regularly refers to DefCon in his daily blogs.”
Thanks Alba,
I didn’t want to waste my time trying to explain it to him but thanks for the definition. Perhaps he can recognize his own countenance. but I doubt it!
My apology bill. I will never use any words over five letters long when responding directly to you in the future.
Damn, I feel bad about taunting a mentally retarded person, but, I’m making an exception in this case.
Though there are a few corrections to be made in statement one, they could be best described as picayune. (look it up, nitwit. It’ll give you something to do.) But when we get to statement 2, wooooo…
Hamsterhead needs to up your tuition reimbursement, Silly Billy. You need major help before you can get your GED.
Alba,
RE: 9:52
You are definitely on to something there. I’m smelling sock puppets again.
No doubt about it. They screwed up again and you recognized it. Good work.
This is not just one person. This is a concerted effort of the RR to shut down DefCon. It must be a sect believing in the lies of Ken Ham since that is when “they” started appearing here.
It would not surprise me one bit if they are using deception.
I get the eerie and spooky feeling that bi(ge) is attending some seminary, or worse yet, some fundamentalist christian “college.”
That would explain how he got into college in the first place, and also explain the ingrained irrational belief systems he holds to. Since bil(ge) has elected not to let out the least detail of his personal life, he is hiding something that he doesn’t want us to know. That in iself is fine by me. But how real and credible can one be while remaining totally anonymous?
Kenyan police say Gilbert Deya Ministries is an international child trafficking ring. A British family court judge agreed, saying infertile couples and congregation members were “deceived” by Mr Deya and that he was motivated by “the most base of human avarices: financial greed”.
You don’t say!! Has anyone looked deep into the Christian adoption agencies here?? The unwed mothers homes in basements of radical right women and their husbands. Oh, well, I guess it can only amount to “allegations” and dismissed charges when someone is church buddies with the D.A.
Check out some of the Stepford Wives, and their histories. It’s interesting…very interesting…
Alba,
RE: 10:21
I can’t speak to the subject of your comment since I haven’t read the pertinent published material yet, but the message remains the same.
We have a secular government to protect us from religious zealotry. End. Finis. That’s All Folks! ! !
Here’s the link on the Kenyan “pastor.” http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19852/miracle-babies-2
LOL
Check out this Press Release:
“It is becoming more readily apparent that Mainstream America is becoming more aware of the devious nature of what has become to be known as; The Religious Right.
The Religious Right ranges from Snake Handlng and Doomesday Predictionists, to white supremisists and neo-christo-neo-fundumentalists.
Some Fundamentalist Colleges actualy infest their students with ancient myths and irrational belief systems.
Students who ask the wrong questions are immediately expelled.”
More later…
In 1987, Unruh was investigated by authorities after complaints surfaced that she had offered money to young women to carry their pregnancies to term and put their babies up for adoption. Tim Wilka, the Minnehaha County state’s attorney at the time, told the local Sioux Falls, SD, newspaper the Argus Leader in 2003, “There were so many allegations about improper adoptions being made [against Unruh] and how teenage girls were being pressured to give up their children… Gov. George Mickelson called me and asked me to take the case.”
The Alpha Center pleaded “no contest” to five misdemeanor charges of unlicensed adoption and foster care practices, and was fined $500 as part of a plea bargain in which 19 charges, including four felonies, were dropped.
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/05/24/the-source-of-our-collective-delusions-may-be-summed-up-in-one-sentence/
What’s your random laughter about, Silly Billy? That’s a sign you know, of illness…
OHHHH…Thor of the THUNDER!!!!!!!
bil(ge) chimes in with all of those profound statements… I am not worthy to be in his presence……bowing at the waste…
Dale re: your 10:43 (which is really 9:43 EST) - Amen for mainstream America’s awareness. It is high time for the slime to slink back into their holes, and only active awareness will make it happen. I, for one, am sick and tired of RRR trying desperately to poison society with their holier than thou, let me show you the way to live bullshit.
LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Amen Girl!
Amen.
Now, Alba, tell us how you really feel.
Sick and tired…
No one had an answer earlier, and my husband wants me to be kind about the situation…Can anyone tell me how I can get the Jehovahs to stop knocking every Saturday. I guess my father-in-law “amused” them, and now they think my husband is good prey. But that sickly sweet phony voice is causing me blood pressure to rise, and I don’t know how long I can keep saying, “My husband is unavailable.” I’m feeling like Mt Vesuvias, and my nest door neighbor knows I’m ready to blow!!!!
next not nest
Tell me, Nil Bill, how would you handle the Jehovah who know the only true path to God is his way? Hmmm?
knows
Rev. Leith Anderson, Haggard’s replacement and the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, said he had a bigger priority that day when asked to meet with a presidential candidate, whom he will not name.
“My life is not in Washington,” Anderson said. “I am not a politician. What evangelists are about is primarily faith, and not politics.”
http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=26817&sec=20&con=4
So far, so good.
Dale, why have you waited so long to start claiming that you are now “certified”? Strange that this certification has suddenly manifested itself after you have been exposed. If you are “certified in PA” at best you are no more that an amateur wantta be and at worst your actions here demonstrate that you have abused your certification and should be investigated, you’re acting dangerously. Please tell me who to report you to.
AS for my Grammar, your childish attack on my so-called lack of language skills has NOTHING to do with the validate of my agreements; It only proves how much I annoy and irritate you. lol
I do wonder why you have this childlike need to exalt your status here by irrationally attacking me instead of taking on the issues.
No one here will admit this but Dale doesn’t plagiarize near as often as he use to do. So my present here has not been in vein.
November 10th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Albatross Says:
No one had an answer earlier, and my husband wants me to be kind about the situation…Can anyone tell me how I can get the Jehovahs to stop knocking every Saturday. (Question mark)
.
.
.
Have you tried politely asking them to stop coming by???
wannabe not wantta
semicolon after investigated
validity not validate
arguments not agreements
used not use
vain not vein
You’re ignorant. That’s why you’re attacked. You have no argument, not validity. You’re a puppet, and a pain in the ass.
No validity.
What do you do, Bill, when a JW tries to show you the “truth?”
oh yeah
presence not present
Idgit.
Why don’t you do corrections before you go posting what you think is a good post across every thread, OK?
Bill, why did you want to know where Don lived? Have you tried to find all DefCon contributors? Are you a sick bastard?
Heartless, why do you have this need to disagree with the truth?
The truth is tomorrow is Veteran’s Day.
Avoid the questions, idgit.
Every day is Veteran’s Day.
Per November 10th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Guilty.
Bill’s disorder can be found in the “Diagnostic and statistical Manual of Metal Disorders. I know I I am throwing a plug to listen to www.commonwealthclub.org.
However, we are not talking about dogma as much as data. Wesley Clark speaking at the CWC was truly enlightening–including the military policy of ” dont ask and dont tell”
Do you confuse someone correcting your numerous mistakes as disagreeing with truth? There has been no truth from you Bill.
Hey, waxxer.
Oh, yeah, one more. In this instance the word grammar would not be capitalized.
I am here!
November 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
dale Says:
I see bill is quote mining again. There has never been anyone on DefCon, EVER, that has claimed they know there is no god.
except you dale.
Show it.
Bill_from_defcon Says:
November 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
dale Says:
I see bill is quote mining again. There has never been anyone on DefCon, EVER, that has claimed they know there is no god.
except you dale.
By his (Dales) statement you are wrong. You are not even in the same discussion. NO ONE that I am aware of has denied the possibility of God. We just don’t believe in the evidence presented to his/her existance.
Are your blinders on Bill????
Bill is blind, deaf, and dumb, waxxer. He is now scrolling through every thread trying to find “evidence” that Dale said there is no god.
Nite. Busy day tomorrow.
OK, one last time.
I said, “I see bill is quote mining again. There has never been anyone on DefCon, EVER, that has claimed they know there is no god.”
And then bi(ge) said, “except you dale.”
Yes billy boy. I am the only human being on the face of this earth that doubts the existence of a god. Suck it up .
Alba…kjzifjid cjer. dale.
Translation?
That’s DefCon code words, for the uninitianated.
Don’t pay any attention to the “kjzifjid cjer” reference. That applies only to the “illuminati.”
Yes, I am illuminated!
There is a light fixture directly above my head.
Ah but Dale, you have doubt. Therefore you are not worthy. You are not worthy in the sake of the bible, the Koran or scientology for that matter.
You cannoot be trusted! You think as an individual. NO institution will have your behavior. You resist, but you will be assimilated….
Otherwise man may find GAWD given power in his own intellect. We cannot afford to have another Einstein, Galileo, Salk, Davinci, Newton or any other being who seeks science of free will without the church approval.
You are on my shit list buddy!!
Via Home Land Security; you are on double secret probation.
Alba,
I hope to god that you did not lose the secret iluminaty code ! Heaven forbid! Jeeeesus!
thanks al,
Dale, why have you waited so long to start claiming that you are now “certified”? Strange that this certification has suddenly manifested itself after you have been exposed. If you are “certified in PA” at best you are no more that an amateur wannabe and at worst your actions here demonstrate that you have abused your certification and should be investigated; you’re acting dangerously. Please tell me who to report you to.
AS for my Grammar, your childish attack on my so-called lack of language skills has NOTHING to do with the validity of my arguments; It only proves how much I annoy and irritate you. lol
I do wonder why you have this childlike need to exalt your status here by irrationally attacking me instead of taking on the issues.
No one here will admit this but Dale doesn’t plagiarize near as often as he used to do. So my present here has not been in vain.
bi(ge) says:
“So my present here has not been in vain.”
I will tell you this, sonny boy; the fact that you spread horseshit all over the place, is exceeded only by your obnoxiousness. There is no rational merits to your pitiful arguments no matter how long you propogate them.
You have already been shown to be intellectually challenged on this very thread because you could not grasp aq simple concept. nuff
Alba - (and anyone that is interested) here is the link to the book which was mentioned earlier:
http://www.parentingbeyondbelief.com/
It’s good to see someone is showing that people can raise children with good values and morality outside of religious dogma and mythology.
Dale - regarding the lady who died of a snake bite — if what the lawsuit alleges is shown to be true, the parties involved deserve a verdict in favor of the victim’s family. Regardless of the fact that her religious beliefs were extreme and irrational and she took part in the ritual voluntarily, to subject her and her family to ridicule when she was experiencing a medical emergency is revolting; and to delay her treatment in such a way as to cause her death is criminal.
That being said, like the case with the woman who strangled herself with the handcuffs, until we know ALL the facts, it is probably folly to even comment.
Bill,
You give yourself way too much importance. We show you a whole lot of tolerance in a blog where we would never be tolerated–you guessed it right–any RR forum.
This is the irony of your cause. you can in our space but we cannot in yours.