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Well, well.
“Some Christian pastors embrace Scientology”
TAMPA, Florida (CNN) — Some Christian congregations, particularly in lower income, urban areas, are turning to an unlikely source for help — the Church of Scientology.
Scientologists do not worship God, much less Jesus Christ. The church has seen plenty of controversy and critics consider it a cult. So why are observant Christians embracing some of its teachings?
Two pastors who spoke recently with CNN explained that when it comes to religion, they still preach the core beliefs of Christianity. But when it comes to practicing what they preach in a modern world, borrowing from Scientology helps…
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/31/christian.scientology/
I understand that in some of our school’s classrooms, police officers that are presenting their stay-off-drugs programs are doing the same thing. I’ll look for that link.
Last week, I posted about how the schools, like the Catholic church, is plagued by sex abuse issues. Here’s another:
“Police seek Nebraska teacher, 25, and 13-year-old boy”
OMAHA, Nebraska (AP) — Authorities searched Thursday for a 13-year-old boy and a female middle school teacher believed to be on the run from central Nebraska after police began investigating whether the pair had an intimate relationship.
Teacher Kelsey Peterson, shown in 2006, is charged with kidnapping and child abuse.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/01/teachers.student.search.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
THANK GREAT JUMPING JEHOSPHAT, IT’S FRIDAY!
First of all, Scientology is the archetypical example of how tax-exemption for churches can and is being abused. They are a much a church as the KKK is a Christian businessman’s club. The fact that the organization was started by a science fiction writer is the first red flag you encounter when you examine their “religion.” The pastor in Florida said he found Bible verses to back up the Scientology book. Well, why doesn’t he use the Bible verses then? Why would he introduce this literature unless he was gaining something from Scientology in exchange? Regardless, augmenting one mythology with another probably isn’t such a stretch anyway.
I gotta say, Florida is the looniest place I’ve ever been. Every other day somebody from Florida is in the news so doing something bizarre. Just today, flying in the face of the fact that the SCOTUS is about to hear a case that may determine that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment, the Florida Supreme court ruled that it is NOT cruel and unusual, which will allow Florida to execute an inmate on November 15 — before the Supremes rule — this despite states across the country are suspending executions in light of the case going from the SCOTUS.
Don’t forget, we now have the worst president in the history of our republic thanks to the wonderful voters in Florida (well, specifically the evil Florida Secretary of State, Repukelican Katherine Harris)
CNN Viewers Call For Anti-Bush Revolution, Overthrow Of The Government
…comments:
From Raw Story :
CNN commentator Jack Cafferty speculated on Wednesday about how George W. Bush’s unilateral grab for presidential power might be reversed.
“The president of the United States didn’t have the power to spy on Americans … operate secret prisons … suspend due process … torture … hide the conduct of the government from the public,” Cafferty stated. “It’s not like anybody gave President Bush any of these powers — he took them, as a brain-dead Congress just stood there and watched.”
…Cafferty read a selection of emails from clearly outraged — and outspoken — viewers.
“Remember the 60’s?” wrote one Baby Boomer. “Well, they’re back. Only this time it’s not a decade. It’s the age on our driver’s licenses. Let’s start another revolution. … It’s time to overthrow the government.”
Another viewer stated more cynically, “King Bush. Queen Hillary. America is now a democratic dictatorship, nobody is going to change that. Power is everything; get used to it.”
And a third suggested. “George Bush is the next president. He and Darth Cheney will be surrendering none of their bounty. Forty years of planning to hand it all to Hillary Clinton? Not a chance. If you think there’ll be a November 8 election, give my regards to the Easter Bunny.”
http://lastdaysofpresidentbush.blogspot.com/
I wonder what the conservatives think of the media, now. Though they still fail to even address some very important issues, did anyone ever imagine the day that a major outlet for news would report that viewers are talking about a revolt?
You are wrong about SCHIP and that it is supposed to help “poor” children. It was already helping poor children but then those who are for more government and entitlement programs proposed to increase it to enroll middle class families. Increasing the rolls in the past already caused parents who could afford and were paying for health insurance for their children to stop the coverage and enroll them in the “free” government health insurance. That’s ridiculous. And guess what…it’s not “free”…I’m paying for it. And now the “big government entitlement” crowd wants to increase the rolls to add even more children whose parents can afford to cover their children’s health needs on their own. Why should we tax the American people (me) even more than I’m already taxed to allow other parents to stop paying for their kids’ healthcare coverage so I can pay for it so they can spend more money on fancier cell phones and luxuries? Wake up people.
I doubt that there won’t be an election Nov. 08, but if anyone thinks that Sillary will do ANYTHING to change the thrust of the Bush doctrine in the Middle East — think again. If she becomes the next POTUS, the first thing she is going to have to deal with is the after-effects of Bush’s attacks on Iran, the continuing quagmire that is Iraq/Afghan, and on the home front, a deep recession and nation-wide civil unrest.
Thank you, Yahweh, for making it Friday.
Today’s Daily Dinesh
Was Hitler a Christian?
Posted Nov 1st 2007 10:10PM by Dinesh D’Souza
http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/11/01/was-hitler-a-christian/
BTW, for those who will click the link and read the Dinesh mess, be sure to read the comments posted at the end. They are usually the best part as many people are able to clearly articulate how Dinesh is out of his mind (and league).
Everybody is worried about Iraq, Afganastan and Iran while the real entity of evil is sneaking up behind you.
Pakistan is the home of Al-qaeda. They have a very shaky government and the military is poised to take over. The military may even be supportive of Al Qaeda. They are harboring Osama Bib Laden———
They have nuclear bombs and have tested them.
Doesn’t this set off some alarms somewhere? The media aren’t saying a thing about this untenable situation.
Perhaps “they” are going to allow them to do something nasty to galvanize us so we can actually open up WWIII with visions of controlling all the oil.
I’d say that he who uttered the words WW III, is the one who has grand vision of it. Are there any other world leaders who have uttered those words.
Oh, here is the link on Scientology in the schools. It was in Australia, but I believe it occurred here as well in ‘04.
Parent anger at religious Scientology advice
Uniformed police distributed Church of Scientology propaganda at Whyalla High School, contrary to guidelines for religious education.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19775/scientology-38
The pocket-size booklet, entitled “”The Way to Happiness.” is a compilation of widely agreed upon values that Hubbard put into writing in 1981. Its 96 pages include such admonitions as “take care of yourself,” “honor and help your parents,” “do not murder” and “be worthy of trust.”
The booklet notes in small print that it was written by Hubbard as “an individual and is not part of any religious doctrine.”
But Scientology publications have called the campaign “the largest dissemination project in Scientology history” and “the bridge between broad society and Scientology.”
Source: Scientology and the Schools, Los Angeles Times, June 27, 1990
You know dale, it’s almost like the domino theory in reverse. I think Bush believes that by maintaining ties with Israel and then working easterly, staying friendly with Jordan and Lebanon, occupying Afghanistan and Iraq — if he conquers Iran, Pakistan will fall next with the help of India, (the destination of so many of our now out-sourced jobs) and the combined geopoliticaldemocraticfreemarketcapitalistutopia will then be in a position to dominate Asia until Jesus comes back to retrieve all his lost sheep.
CT,
I have some very interesting notes/ links on the Hitler-Theist connection residing at home. If I get back at a decent time tonight I will post them. I am sure you will enjoy.
I think that people that read his books are the conspiricy/Bigfoot believers/paranormal junkie types that don’t know, and don’t give a rat’s ass if what they are reading is fact or fiction. They get caught up in the rhetoric and that is their high.
Those types are not actually concerned with reality.
When I get a chance to talk to someone like that in person, I love to make up some irrational theory about something and present it as “I heard that….” It is unbelievable the positive responses I have gotten. Simply amazing.
Does anyone really need to have these common sense values tied in with any religious affiliation? Are teachers so ill-equipped that they are unable to convey these messages without the help of cults?
Just the words “dissemination PROJECT” should raise red flags of ire. I would be equally upset seeing these “character education” traits coming from FoF, Church of Scientology, or the Arch Diocese.
C.T., I am only hafl-way through the D’Souza rant. It is sooo reassuring that this moron knows what lived in the mind of Hitler. For every remark he makes, there is one that can soundly refute what he states.
“The Nazi idea of an Aryan Christ who uses the sword to cleanse the earth of the Jews-what historians call “Aryan Christianity”-was obviously a radical departure from the traditional Christian understanding and was condemned as such by Pope Pius XI at the time.” vs.
“Conservative author Ann Coulter finds herself in the middle of a firestorm once again after remarks on a CNBC television show in which she said Jews need “to be perfected” and suggested the nation would be better off if it were all-Christian.”
Though slightly different, similarities are there, and as with Naziism, many evangelicals jumpred right to Coulter’s defense saying, “What is wrong with believing this? This is what Christians believe.”
Does D’Souza dine with David Barton, per chance?
The condemnation by Pope Pius was never publicized.
You all are just depressing the sh** out of me.
I think I’ll just going back to trying manage my out of whack project budgets dictated to us by our clients who want us to do everything but are not willing to pay for most of it.
I posted the below yesterday on “bad week for creationism” thread.
Dorris echoed similar thoughts yesterday/last night on another thread.
Do you think the fundies NEED conformity to shore up their own intuition that the crap they spew is just that, Bovine Scatology?
“November 1st, 2007 at 8:13 am
yahweh Says:
Why do so many whacked-out nutjobs find it necessary to attempt to infect others with their belief delusions?
Could it be , they are so sick, so insecure that they believe if others acknowledge the same delusion they’re really not the total idiots all their other senses scream at them they actually are?
You know— if ONE idiot claims to see a sacred iconic image in a pile of bovine scat…he’s just a moron,but if multitudes join in the shared delusion…it’s a religion!
And we’re supposed to respect that?
The content thereof?
HA! “
Sorry, Tony.
How’s this:
“A North Fort Myers man who lost his dog five years ago will be reunited with his beloved pet today.”
How about this one, Tony?
Bellevue teacher’s blend of science honored
Published: October 26, 2007
Thursday’s science lesson in Paula Fraser’s fifth-grade class at Stevenson Elementary involved testing human enzymes.
But the question Fraser posed to her students was a broader one: “What does it mean to be a human being?”
…Fraser, who teaches fifth-graders in the Bellevue School District’s PRISM program for highly capable students, said her goal is to make sure her students go on to think for themselves and make informed decisions…
http://www.goodnewsblog.com/2007/10/26/bellevue-teachers-blend-of-science-honored
As I posted last night:
Passive acceptance of the teacher’s wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favour of the teacher unless he is a very exceptional man. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position.
-Bertrand Russell
Judging from the article, I’d say that this is one of the exceptional (wo)men, Russell speaks of.
that was a good read alba–thanks
yahweh, yes, but also because they are power-hungry cretins, and having direct control over the minds of the mindless whets their appetites for more power grabbing.
Sorry, my 2:26 is in reference to your post on conformity.
It’s OK Tony, I saved $223.89 on my car insurance today.
To save some cost on those bridges you could go back to using bamboo.
Using the lizard, Dale? Oooops, I mean the gecko?
;)
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:33 am Albatross Says:
Last week, I posted about how the schools, like the Catholic church,
Is there a reason you used the word Catholic in your post. The term Catholic church is not in the article. Not meaning to sound picky but it sounds like you are using the Catholic church as your example of sex abuse issues.
Random quote for the day, for any would-be idiots that might appear today.
“Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.”
Charles Theodore “Chili” Davis
CT says, Don’t forget, we now have the worst president in the history of our republic thanks to the wonderful voters in Florida (well, specifically the evil Florida Secretary of State, Repukelican Katherine Harris)
CT, blame the demo’s for not knowing how to put a legal ballot together. second, Mr. Carter was the biggest do nothing the country has ever seen. If he had been worth two cents Reagan would have never left CA.
Third, if sore gore had carried his home state of TN he would still be the prez today.
“Could it be , they are so sick, so insecure that they believe if others acknowledge the same delusion they’re really not the total idiots all their other senses scream at them they actually are?” –Yahweh
Misery loves company?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 am
C.T. Says:
Was Hitler a Christian?
Don’t know, don’t care. Just know Joseph ‘uncle joe’ Stalin was an atheist.
Misery has more than enough company!
Conformity is equality wrongly understood by a delusional mass. It leads to an absolute authoritarian state; it is a fundamental tenet of dominionists.
I would much rather be called names and criticized, than give up my freedom of thought and individuality. As this govt continues to erode our Constitution, thereby minimizing our rights daily, I continue to reassure myself by saying, “They cannot take my mind…not without a fight.”
Jerry G Says:
CT, blame the demo’s for not knowing how to put a legal ballot together. second, Mr. Carter was the biggest do nothing the country has ever seen. If he had been worth two cents Reagan would have never left CA.
Third, if sore gore had carried his home state of TN he would still be the prez today.
Your third point is an absolute joke, Jerry, which makes you a deluded one. Second, Carter’s problem wasn’t that he didn’t do anything, his problem was that he wasn’t a war monger like your Mr. Bush. As to the ballots, grow up man!
FYI, Jerry G - that was a nice Freudian slip: “Third, if sore gore had carried his home state of TN he would still be the prez today.”
He would still be the prez? Which would indicate that he won an election and had it taken?
Jerry G Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 am
C.T. Says:
Was Hitler a Christian?
Don’t know, don’t care. Just know Joseph ‘uncle joe’ Stalin was an atheist.
Do you have some point to make, Jerry?
SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE!
A youth minister in a small community near Ft Smith Ar has been accused of inappropriate touching of young ones in his charge.
If he were only MUSLIM instead of christo-fascist this NEVER would have occured!( teehee teehee)
OK, back. Went to see “Before the Devil Knows Your Dead” - Sidney Lumet’s latest. No comment.
Now on to lesser challenges. Jerry G (how’d you get your nickname? Couldn’t make up your mind if you liked J or G so you put them both, or what?) A-m-y-way…I see you’ve sent a couple of comments my way (thanks Alba, for standing in the gap for me) and I think it would impolite if I didn’t respond.
Let’s see…to review — you said,
CT, blame the demo’s for not knowing how to put a legal ballot together. second, Mr. Carter was the biggest do nothing the country has ever seen. If he had been worth two cents Reagan would have never left CA.
I want to make sure I understand you, JG. You’re saying that we are facing a possible crisis of epic proportions in the Middle East because the Democrats don’t know how to put a legal ballot together. Ahh…it’s amazing how soon they forget. JG - allow me to refresh your memory:
As Secretary of State for the State of Florida, Harris presided over the contested 2000 US presidential election in Florida. There were allegations of conflicts of interest and partisan, unethical behavior by Katherine Harris during the 2000 campaign. Harris had been named as Bush’s Florida campaign co-chair the year before.
In addition, by Harris’ decree, ChoicePoint — a private firm — was hired prior to the election to identify and remove thousands of names from the state voters list on the condition that these people were convicted felons. Many of these would-be voters were turned away at the polls or even prior to reaching the polling places. It would later be discovered that approximately 97% of the people removed from the list — and thus denied the right to vote in the election — were not felons at all. The majority of these voters were African-American, and as African-Americans predominantly vote Democratic, the situation suggested foul play.[13] In any case, the thousands of votes affected by Choicepoint’s error were far in excess of the number of votes (537) by which George W. Bush won the state.
Now - are you SURE you still want to blame our current state of affairs on the Demoncrats? ( Keep in mind - if you answer, “yes” you’ll look like a complete idiot)
Regarding Carter — at least he got the President of Egypt and the PM of Israel to shake hands and agree to begin a peace process. That counts as a GOOD thing. And it doesn’t dimiinish by one iota the fact that Bush is the worst president in the history of our republic. It’s not a partisan issue, JG…I’d say the same about Bush is he were a Demoncrat. He just sucks. Period - plain and simple.
As to your third point. Tenn didn’t swing the election; Florida did. You gottabe kiddin’ me.
Finally, as to your reaction to the Hitler/Christian reference. Dude - that was the headline of Dinesh’s blog piece. Gimme a break. That just shows that you didn’t bother to click the link and read the blog.
Oh yeah, sorry about your uncle.
By Richard Simon, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
11:49 AM PDT, November 2, 2007
WASHINGTON — President Bush delivered his threatened veto of a $23-billion water bill today, but it is virtually certain to be reversed by Congress in its first override of a Bush veto
American taxpayers should not be asked to support a pork-barrel system of federal authorization and funding where a project’s merit is an afterthought,” Bush said in his veto message.
I urge the Congress to send me a fiscally responsible bill that sets priorities. Americans sent us to Washington to achieve results and be good stewards of their hard-earned taxpayer dollars. This bill violates that fundamental commitment. For the reasons outlined above, I must veto H.R. 1495.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
November 2, 2007.
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That’s rich coming from an asshole that has managed to squander a nearly trillion dollar surplus all while flushing a half trillion down to the toilet on a totally irresponsible, illegal, unethical and insane military invasion in the Middle East. Holy shit. This guy is out of his fu*king mind.
C.T. glad to assist. Your response was better, but anyway, I think Jerry Garcia ice-cream cone head was a drive by. Just trying to stir a bit of shit.
Va. judge fired after deciding case with coin flip
He also ordered a woman with history of mental problems to drop her pants
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21600306/
What a waste of a man.
Swastikas and nooses?
Are we regressing or progressing?
Swastika painted on Jewish professor’s door
Police begin probe of third hate crime this month at Columbia University
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21568663/
The vandals were probably ahh-my-dinner’s-bad sympathizers who didn’t like the way their boy was treated when he spoke at the school.
More good news, Tony!
Two 8 yr olds have stepped in where school administrators have failed for more than a century I’d guess. They have invented wedgie-proof underwear. Bye bye to those obnoxious wedgie bullies. What’s better is that when children actually request their parents to buy them, the parents could wake up to the fact that their kids are being tormented by bullies. (I strongly suspect the bullies will move on to new tactics, but applaud the kids for their creativity, anyway.)
Are all Americans brain-dead?
Is there not one worthy soul who can open the book and read the judgments thereof?
And the world shrieked in one voice (Streisand allusion) saying, “Who is like unto the beast, who is WORTHY to make war?”
I am worthy, and I seek out those who think they are worthy.
Ask me a question. Let us rally the mindtroops who wish to exonerate America’s retard image.
Get banned, Richard?
Is that why you have the new name?
For the record, the Canadian retard image is not much better. To Richard.
First conservative in over a decade will lead the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Does anyone have the scoop on Judge Alex Kozinski?
Cat got your tongue, “rich?”
Looks like all the administration paybacks are being cashed in:
“Dr. Pat Fagan, a former Senior Research Fellow in Family and Cultural Issues at the Heritage Foundation and Deputy Assistant Secretary at Health and Human Services, has joined FRC as Senior Fellow and Director of a new Center for Family and Religion. In this new role, Dr. Fagan will augment the research capacity of the organization on issues including family, marriage, children, and religion.”
Let us not forget, since Jerry G brought it up, that former Ohio corruptioneer, Ken Blackwell also acquired a nice position at FRC after his stint of placing GW nicely into place. He was another Katherine Harris, but had a penis.
yahweh, it is absolutely amazing the secrecy that exists amongst Evangelical abuse cases. This is hardly to suggest that it doesn’t occur.
C.T. a while back you presented a Bible challenge. I have one for you:
Here’s a quote: Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
What Bible verse would a Christian assign to this quote?
ct, do you have even one thread of evidence concerning your (November 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pm) rant. I have NEVER heard any of those accusations.
Oh, hello nitwit. Were you sleeping during the 2000 election? Were you even alive during Carter’s presidency? Your ignorance leads me to believe not. There was nothing in C.T.’s post that wasn’t international news when it occurred.
Here’s a photo of the hand shake between Sadat and Begin with JC (Jimmy Carter) in the background. This was 1979. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/26/newsid_2806000/2806245.stm
Would you like a photo of the voting machine that uploaded afigure of -19,000 votes for Gore B4 beginning the count in one Florida county??
Far more interested in what Bible verse would fit, aren’tcha Nil Bill?
Hi heartless monster, how are you tonight?????????
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 am
Albatross Says:
Would you like a photo of the voting machine that uploaded afigure of -19,000 votes for Gore B4 beginning the count in one Florida county??
YES I WOULD.
Sorry, that was fish bait, sucka, but I’ll get you the link for every nationwide investigation that occurred.
you idiots have actually started believing your own lies about that election. Haven’t you. he he he
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:05 am
Albatross Says:
Sorry, that was fish bait, sucka, but I’ll get you the link for every nationwide investigation that occurred.
MEANING, oh oh, Bill Knows I’m lying and just making things up like baledale does.
Heartless, do you know what tomorrow is????
No, Bill, enlighten me.
Today is tomorrow. It is Saturday. It is Daylight Savings time, and I’m sure any number of other events have occurred in our world’s long, long history.
C’mon Bill.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
What Bible verse would a Christian assign to this quote?
tap, tap, tap…
For a Bible thumper like you Bill this should be so easy.
Jerry G, you really do have either a short, or a selective memory.
Katherine Harris, the fundie nutcase loony “christian” who thought the baby Jesus wanted Bush to be president, who was Florida’s Sec’y of State during the 2000 elections, managed to arrange that Gore votes not be counted.
The NY Times, after doing its own recount of all the votes, reported in late 2001 that Gore did indeed win in Florida.
Unfortunately, they intentionally put that earthshaking story in an interior page, and did not want to publicize the fact that Gore was the winner after all, because the 9/11 attacks had occurred by then, and the Times did not want to undermine Bush’s presidency.
If the Times had pressed the issue, it’s possible that Bush would have been removed from office, and Gore installed as president.
As should have been done. Perhaps, or perhaps not, but I think we would be sitting in a different boat today if Gore had taken his rightful duty to serve.
‘o4 was a little different, but bought and paid for none-the-less.
Ohio secretary of state, Ken Blackwell, who now works for FRC (coincidence?) was also rigging numbers.
That rig was ‘04.
By RFK, Jr. (no reason to be deemed a person who knows who dirty politics works, right)
Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted — enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.Posted Jun 01, 2006 5:02 PM
Bill, google Diebold for a photo of the election scam machines.
Were you even alive in 2000, or you are only 7?
Albatross, bill is a big fan of Ollie North and Reagan. He had breakfast once with North. He values deceitfulness.
I think bill is really Keyes.
OMG - don - bill = Alan Keyes. THat’s hysterical. Only problem though, is Keyes, though a lunatic, IS extremely articulate and has an extensive vocabulary as yet to be shown by bill.
BTW - bill - I believe your question to me re: my comments on the 2000 election has been more than sufficiently dealt with by the others here, but my question to you is….Aren’t you fu*king embarrassed to admit that you “have NEVER heard any of those accusations.” ????
Alba - I need to drink my coffee and wake up before I can start to think about your challenge. Please allow me a couple of minutes to gather my wits.
ok, Alba - here’s my first guess. 2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline (New American Standard)
“We are living through one of the most fundamental shifts in history — a change in the actual belief structure of Western society. No economic, political, or military power can compare with the power of a change of mind. By deliberately changing their images of reality, people are changing the world.”
— Willis Harman, Global Mind Change
Sorry fundies - but your time has past. If Jesus doesn’t come get you soon, you too, will have to accept the new paradigms of the 21st century. If you don’t, you WILL be left behind.
Alzheimer’s? Hanging around no-mind presidents for too long?
“While criticising Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Mr Cheney said “the people of Peru deserve better”.
I thought Alberto Gonzales was the President of Peru. :~)
Has anyone read:
Blackwater, The rise of worlds most powerful mercenary army
I caught a glimpse of the author Jermey Scahill last night on Bill Maher. I wonder why BW is not listed as a terrorist organization?
They should be Wax, and Iraq just passed a measure that said they could be charged with crimes by Iraqi law, while the US granted them immunity. Sad.
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO65760/
Blackwater, Iraq, and the U.S.
I had been debating if I should tell this, but what the hay. I was with Kenneth Blackwell when I had breakfast with Col North.
It was a chilly, late September morning in center Ohio; the sun would be rising in less then an hour. The brisk wind whipped its way though my jacket, I should have worn my trend coat. I was more that pleased when the manager turned the key and I heard the bolt slap and saw the door open. My assignment was to ask for a table away from the windows; the press never let up and Col North had ask us to provide a location with some privacy. I told the server we would need 8 cups when I ordered my coffee, black no sugar and warmed my half frozen hands on the cup when she filled it to the brim.
A few minutes later a familiar man came around the corner, spotted me, nodded and started talking into his sleeve. Col North was only a few minutes away and his lead security agent was establishing his entry and exit route. Ken came into view before the agent was finish, North’s car was notified and we knew he and the others would be joining us in just a few minutes. That’s when it happened; I requested my second cup of the best coffee I had tasted in a long time, and I thawed my motionless hands on fresh cup.
I had been debating if I should tell this, but what the hay. I was with Ken Blackwell when I had breakfast with Col North. Ken and I and some other politicians from the Midwest also had a breakfast meeting with President Bush 41.
…on the fresh cup.
bill would be stretching his credibility if he said he had breakfast with the local dog catcher.
That very well could have been the funniest post ever made on Defcon!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Jesus tap dancing christ! bill actually made my night.
In order to harbor a parasite a healthy host must exist. Bill you are quintisential parasite. You offer piss and shit in your host. You offer no value at all–other than to test the health and well being of something you want to destroy. We cannot be tolerated in any reason by your fascist mind.
On the otherhand, you are here because we are healthy, vital and particiapting in the global reality that exludes your simple polluted stream of thought.
Basically if we were not important, you would not be here.
Please know we thrive. We will persist. We will suceed because we think for ourselves and find a collective of individuals who find value in this method.
We are not subject to a stagnant pond of thought. We are borderless–unless we import you and drop a turd in a public place you can infest.
YOu are a social tape worm, the intellectual Ebola virus and drink off the tears of dying children. You are hopelessly screwed.
Don’t give up. Keep showing we the people how vibrant and full of life we are–despite your parasitic presence.
You are the our anal thermometer. We appreciate your service.
dale - I couldn’t get past the first sentence.
bill is a legend in his own shizoidal mind.
waxxer -
Since bill has expanded his MO into humor, I thought I would honor him with an animated poem from a centemporary poet, Billy Collins who was the Poet Laurieat of the United States and with whom I had DINNER with last April
It was a chilly April evening….never mind. This si bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaBeaQHdrGo&NR=1
DON’T FORGET TO SET YOUR CLOCKS BACK Y’ALL.
Thanks, CT. I would have plum fergot. Two of my cronies were over tonight to sample some beverages we saved up for all week, and I almost perished when Boo Boo ( his name is french and ends with beax) taps into my “puter this YouTube video.
Before I link it, I will be frank and tell you that even I am in wonderment about all the actual sexual identities that people are born with.
OK. Here she comes: (It gets much better at the end, where you start to realize the credibility)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHnQAtiTRkI&NR=1
Bale, some folks here at the con would announce that using fifty plus copies of the same letter in one word is a sign of insanity; of course that person would know a lot about lunacy and madness, don’t you. Amusing that!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL@LOLOLOL
Collins poem that I believe he may have penned at that dinner.
Some Days
by Billy Collins
Some days I put the people in their places at the table,
bend their legs at the knees,
if they come with that feature,
and fix them into the tiny wooden chairs.
All afternoon they face one another,
the man in the brown suit,
the woman in the blue dress,
perfectly motionless, perfectly behaved.
But other days, I am the one
who is lifted up by the ribs,
then lowered into the dining room of a dollhouse
to sit with the others at the long table.
Very funny,
but how would you like it
if you never knew from one day to the next
if you were going to spend it
striding around like a vivid god,
your shoulders in the clouds,
or sitting down there amidst the wallpaper,
staring straight ahead with your little plastic face?
I guess after living in L.A. for so many years, this doesn’t even raise an eyebrow. I’ve known so many people living “alternative” lifestyles that it just doesn’t phase me. Live and let live and to each his/her own.
This is a small sample of a Collins poem I enjoy.
I watched my poem fly down to the front
of the bar and hover there
until the next customer walked in–
then I watched it fly out the open door into the night
and sail away, I could only imagine,
over the dark tenements of the city.
Madmen – Billy Collins
Dale, if you had dinner with Mr. Collins I’m sure you had an absolutely fascinating and unforgettable evening? I’m a little jealous of your magnificent opportunity and I honesty and sincerity hope you had a great time.
PS, Langston Hughes is still my favorite poet.
I may post “Will V-Day Be Me-Day Too?” by Langston Hughes on 11/11/07.
well, Billy Collins seems to have shut everyone up.
Spoken by christian, Dog the Bounty Hunter.
I never watched the show but flipped past it a few times and I always thought what a vile acting little man he was, even though he was pushing christian dogma, they were bleeping out his f-words. So his christian audience doesn’t mind him using the f word but when he uses the n word, he get’s fired.
I know people in law enforcement and Dog’s methods are just the type of thing that legitimate bail bondsmen do not want to do.
As far as family values, Dog’s got a lot of em. He’s got like 14 kids to four different women.
Too bad he couldn’t clean up his language a bit in respect for his son’s girlfriend.
http://www.stchurchofchrist.com/womenspage.html
ARE YOU CHRISTIPHOBIC?
____ Do you fear Christians?
____ Do you avoid Christians (privately & publicly)?
____ Do you enjoy ridiculing Christians, Christianity or religion in general?
____ Do you tell anti Christian jokes?
____ Do you avoid reading Christian material?
____ Do you avoid movies & films that are pro Christian?
____ Do Christians make you uncomfortable or uneasy?
____ Do you avoid Christian discussions?
____ Do you think that most Christians are less learned or enlightened?
____ Do you feel that Christianity has caused more harm than good?
____ Do you eliminate Christians as close friends?
____ Would you discourage your children’s association with Christians?
____ Do you find Christian discussions unproductive or ineffectual?
____ Do you repress Christian or religious feelings in yourself?
____ Do you rarely (if ever) think of Christians as positive role models?
____ Would you discourage your children from dating a Christian person?
IF you answered YES to…
Testaphobia???
are you to take the test??? ha ha ha.
are you afraid to take the test??? ha ha ha.
Testaphobia??? LOLOL
Per, November 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm dale Says:
A&E pulls ‘Dog’ series from schedule
Television bounty hunter Duane “Dog” Chapman’s show has been pulled from the air indefinitely by A&E, two days after a private phone conversation in which the reality star used a racial slur repeatedly was posted online.
“In evaluating the circumstances of the last few days, A&E has decided to take ‘Dog The Bounty Hunter’ off the network’s schedule for the foreseeable future,” the network said in a statement Friday. “We hope that Mr. Chapman continues the healing process that he has begun.”
I’m not sure why dale thinks ‘Dog The Bounty Hunter’ is important to the defcon regulars, could it be that dale is being judgmental in pasting judgment on ‘Dog The Bounty Hunter’. After all dale seems to be an expert on what Christian should and should not be doing.
Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press.
Don’t forget the TEST.
I answered no to every question bill, and I still think your a complete asshole. go figure.
How freaking ludicrous can you get: Do you repress Christian or religious feelings in yourself?
Do you repress Muslim feelings in yourself?? How about Hindu feelings? Jewish?
What a moron.
Bill, you fem! Hanging around Christian women’s time for tea sites!
BTW, I still think you’re an asshole, too. And I was able to answer no, to most of the questions? So what.
Why don’t you take my challenge, Bill? Or C.T.’s? Maybe he would be so kind as to repost it for you. Maybe you missed it.
Here’s my question.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
What Bible verse would a Christian assign to this quote?
ANYONE HAVE SALES FIGURES ON THAT xTIAN
VIDEO GAME WE SPOKE ABOUT MANY MONTHS AGO?
DE MINIMUS?
ANY FIGURES ON AIG RECENT ATTENDANCE?
DE MINIMUS?
I think AiG’s one yr anniversary will be revealing, yahweh. But I’d be willing to wager that if attendance were up, Hamsterhead’s puppet would be posting about it with glee.
Go Patriots!
Things are looking good! Yay Patriots~!
November 4th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Albatross Says:
I think AiG’s one yr anniversary will be revealing, yahweh. But I’d be willing to wager that if attendance were up, Hamsterhead’s puppet would be posting about it with glee.
You mean The Creation Museum anniversary. As for the numbers, I check the Cincinnati Papers for the attendance numbers.
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=e10543891fd2e7277d15
it is still a great link.
BTW where is doorknob?
This is a good year for all NE sports teams. I’m glad my Dad is seeing this.
You should know where your doorknob is…we know you do funny things with it by night, all the while proclaiming yourself a good Christian.
per dale’s November 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
dalair, you claim to not be anti-Christian but to be protecting the Constitution. N O T T H I S T I M E.
per, November 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
I’m happy for your Dad.
What do you think of the Constitution, Bill? Enlighten us.
First civilized thing you’ve said. Thank you. And I do not need Bible verses as consolation in dealing with his impending death. Can you respect that?
November 4th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
heartless and a sickoo, ugh.
Yeah, sicko, Bill. Can’t you accept others who do not believe as you do?
Funny thing. That Bill comes around here at DefCon accusing all of being intolerant, hateful, or heartless, even, but can’t see that those accusations he throws fit him like a custom made glove. (Fit most fundies, in fact.)
Albatross, I have loss both of my parents. I’m happy your dad is enjoying the football season and I’m happy for you that you still have your father even if it may be only for a short time.
Where the time comes that a parent draws that last breath the child begans a journey. You’ll discover that there is a piece of your heart missing and your journey will be looking for that missing piece. You will never find it; and your search will never end. You may find yourself rummage around looking, some people thing they find the piece in drugs, alcohol or work, maybe even religion. One day you understand that your heart will never heal you simply learn to life with the piece missing.
I hope his passing is peaceful and his last days filled with love.
ARE YOU CHRISTIPHOBIC?
____ Do you fear Christians?
Not decent law abiding,scripture following Xians.
____ Do you avoid Christians (privately & publicly)?
Doh! I live in America shit head! Are you scared of my muslim and Chinese neighbors?
____ Do you enjoy ridiculing Christians, Christianity or religion in general?
No t at all until they intervene in my rights NOT to be Xian.
____ Do you tell anti Christian jokes?
Never have. However I am the butt of a bad Xian practice that would like to burn me at the stake.
____ Do you avoid reading Christian material?
Never have and never will. I respect lots of Xians who think you are are Nazi.
____ Do you avoid movies & films that are pro Christian?
Have you seen the life of Brian?????
____ Do Christians make you uncomfortable or uneasy?
I have breakfast almost every day of the year with a devout Xian.
____ Do you avoid Christian discussions?
I love them. I seek them out. I relish the oppty.
____ Do you think that most Christians are less learned or enlightened?
Many are–no doubt. Lots of them are not and are a joy to be with on a daily basis.
____ Do you feel that Christianity has caused more harm than good?
Yes. Absoulutely! istory has proven this fact. Real Xians embrace this fact as a travesty.
____ Do you eliminate Christians as close friends?
You live in the fooking closet with other retarded orthodoxy. Sorry dude the world has evolved.
____ Would you discourage your children’s association with Christians?
As much as all the other religions we encounter in a multi-cultural community.
____ Do you find Christian discussions unproductive or ineffectual?
Not at all when they demonstrate real Xian values.
____ Do you repress Christian or religious feelings in yourself?
Been there and done that. Freedom is not repression, it is acceptance of who you are without the institution telling you your value.
____ Do you rarely (if ever) think of Christians as positive role models?
Jesus Christ was a good role model until you stole his meaning and purpose. You should know better
____ Would you discourage your children from dating a Christian person?
Never–unless you are a Nazi member of the KKK or demostrate the intolerance you deplore
IF you answered YES to…
Well I would guess I am healthy, free thinking accept Christ from what I know and think you are a fooking lunatic, parasite hate mongering, closet homo who canoot think for himself. The whole idea of education is to formualte your thoughts and ideals built on a wealth of knowledge.
You fail your own test. You are sick and stupid. You are like a mental MRSA. The world will fing a cure for your kind of stupidity or the evoltionary branch branch for humaity will cleave you off like a foregone ancestor.
Peace to you–cock roach!!
dale wax is wishing you peace, isn’t that sweet.
yes waxxer, you are CHRISTIPHOBIC.
looks like wax is human too.
The world will fing…
the evoltionary…
branch branch for humaity will cleave you off like…
nite.
Not in the least. Read my post dimwit. I am not one to sort people by bullshit doctrine. I many Xian friends who think you are loony and do harm to Xianity. In fact you are the minority of Xianity. You think you have more social weight than what is realistic.
many Xians and Muslims know centerground, peace and follow the leaders of the TRUE desert religions. You on the other hand are a mindless numb object that wouold do anything for any purpose where you feel a sense of importance. You could be a moonie, a member of Jimes Jones Kool-Aid drinking cult a Krishna Hare Krishna hanging around an airport.
You are a spineless fool, a sucker for anyting that gives you personal satisfaction of belonging to something bigger than yourself.
No doubt, Xianity was simply handy and took little or no effort on your part. You are an x-doper, alcoholic, or convict–that or you were raised with no hope by hopeless people who would glom onto any cause to substantiate a meager existance and most likely cloned by the people who would bend you over a chair and rape your ass.
Christian soldier my ass. You are a fooking parasite as described above.
Get a life. Try thinking for yourself before you shove your hatred of others based on blind faith and servitude to people that will not not you in a New Yoark minute.
Damn right the world is scary. Try it without your mental cruch–BIOTCH!!!!!
You make me ill–like any good parasite should.
What???
Wax says, I many Xian friends who think you are loony and do harm to Xianity. In fact you are the minority of Xianity. You think you have more social weight than what is realistic.
who is wax stammering to???
Should I have expected a less slovenly response from a mental midget????????????
freakin sicko!
You are dismissed. Go whack off on your virgin Mary—idiot.
Nice attempt at civility with Alba bill — the only problem is, you continue to attack her, call her heartless and sickoo, ignore her questions and challenges and generally continue to act like a complete boor…. no make that asshole. Therefore your sentiments are offset by your iobnoxious nanities — making you a two-faced, lying bullshitter of the worst kind. Your parents are lucky they don’t have to see what a waste you’ve become. Forget the lost pieces of your heart….you’re never going to find the lost pieces of your mind. Get the help you need…..soon.
bill reminds me…
I saw an interesting documentary on TV a few nights ago about different species of apes. What was most interesting was how similar chimps and bonobos are to each other. Apparently, ages ago, there had been a large lake in the part of Africa where the bonobos were being studied. The lake drained into a river, and drastically shrank in size, while the river widened,
Today, the bonobos live on the north side of that river, and chimps live on the other side. Scientists think they had a common ancestor, but because of the river, the animals on each side evolved separately.
This is an example of how isolation can lead to a different specie.
Bonobos and chimps are physically similar, but chimps are built heavier. More importantly, the social behaviors of the two species are different. Chimps are more aggressive and are often violent towards other tribes of chimps, while bonobos are peaceful.
Here’s an article about bonobos.
http://www.bonobo.org/whatisabonobo.html
All,
bill does not have the intellectual capacity to answer your questions.
Wax takes the time to answer bill and he gets exactly nothing back.
I always give people the benefit of the doubt, as in the case of Mark Jumper, and over time we have been able to find some common ground and for the most part, we are able to make statements and have discussions about them. But Mark operates as an educated adult, for the most part.
I thought perhaps that bill would come around a bit, but that is not going to happen.
Anyone that is going to devote the amount of time bill has devoted with his only intention being to disrupt an uncensored blogsite is in deep emotional water. I have an intimate understanding of this type of individual and I can tell you that you wouldn’t want to be him. He is locked into his belief system and probably hasn’t had any emotional growth for many years. That is what allows him to waste countless hours and all that energy just to disrupt one site. Anyone that thinks that is a good way to spend their time is in trouble.
bill is operating on no more than a seventh grade level and that is easy to see. He has been conditioned well by his handlers and it is obvious that he uses the standard practices of the religious right in his quote mining, obfuscation, and putting words in people’s mouths along with quite a few unethical tactics that you need not be reminded of.
He has not garnered the respect of any person he ever encoutered here, including other fundies- Very funny, that.
Anyone who would spend the countless hours trying to disrupt one site must have a profound fear and hatred for the philosophy of that site, coupled with an irrational and unproductive idea of how to respond to that philosophy.
In the three years this site has been operating, we have never seen anyone so breathtakingly ignorant and rigid post here. bill is a very lunatic fringe. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend that amount of time inanely blathering and disrupting. There are just too many interesting comments and discussions to be had to piss away life.
but, of course, bill must think that he is doing something productive, which proves that he is bat shit crazy.
Having said that, I know there are a few of us that have bonded here and enjoy the interfacing, but don’t forget, there are thousands of sites just like this one. A while back I posted a list of about 75 of them, and every one of them refers several more.
The internet in general is rolling over fundamentalist religions of all types. There are now tens of thousands of blogs and different sites on the subject.
We can start on the sidebar of this site to find a few for starters. I personally, support the FFRF, Theocracy Watch, and others. They in turn have tons of sites listed on their sidebars. Sites that are opposing the religious right are actually too numerous to mention, and no one person can read them all.
Lately, a lot of my time has been spent on a new project that is going to keep me very busy until after the first of the year. As part of this project I will be hiring at least twenty new people. I can tell you that I have ways of finding out who these people are and what they are made out of and I guarantee that not one of them will be a fundamentalist christian. Although I shall stick with the use of the most sophisticated management tools and concepts I have at my disposal, since I have had to sit and watch the antics of these bat shit crazy fundamentalists, it has instilled in me a high degree of resolve to no longer respect any person with that type of concept of religion.
I have bill to credit for finally realizing that there is no compelling reason for respecting the fundamentalists. If bill thinks he deserves respect, he is totally deluded.
Finally, however scarce I may become, I always have all the browsers running that I need to monitor all the sites I like, and I will anxiously be waiting for the next Defcon campaign, whatever it may be.
We did a great job in exposing the Hamseum, and Ken Ham in general. The Stem cell campaign was an extraordinary success and a pleasure to have played a small part in it, not to mention all the letter writing and phone campaigns.
As in any organization, goals and finances change, and Defcon has had no one single incident to bring to national attention lately but we will again in the future as needed.
For now, the religious right is on the run. They have hung their hat on a political figure and it has doomed them for now. This is a very funny development because King Dobson thought until just recently that the republican party would bow to his wishes but he is being ignored…. By the party that he feels he owns! Too bad Jimmy boy. We tried to tell you, by tying your religion to politics, you corrupted your religion.
When the fundamentalists figure out that when they go to their churches and act like christians, they will get the respect that they command for that, but when they jump into politics, then they will be treated like the power hungry bigots that they are.
The RR has shown us a very valuable lesson. Our secular government allows us to elect our leaders. The RR leaders are family dynasties like the kings of Europe and they all too often outlive their own usefulness as their superegos overtake and delude them.
Peace to all my friends and keep up the great work !
right on, dale — good luck with your project.
bill just slapped my friend in the face.
Don :I hope you saw the segment about the Bonobos having sex for RECREATION, not just Re-creation. They engage in homosexual sex as well.
I guess they LEARNED that behavior from visits to San Francisco!
978 words wow. Dale is totally obsessed with me.
Holy shit, it can count.
I am humbled and honored to be slammed in the same post as James Dobson and Ken Ham.
CT, I could not care less what you think about my post to Albatross. Your response says more about your lack of humanity then anything about me.
Truthfully, I don’t care for Albatross’ dialog on defcon. However, she is still a human who is going through a rough time and your lack of understanding is simply mind-boggling to me.
By Sumner Wemp
Nov 5, 2007
There are some great parallels between what you do to get saved and in what you do to get married.
Do what married people did
A man sees a married couple and says, “That man lives with a woman, has children, supports a wife, I am going to start living with a woman, have children, support a wife so I can be married.. NO, you dont do that to become married, you become married and then do all of that becasue you are married.
Do what saved people do
A man sees a Christian and says, “He joined a church, got baptized, gives to the church, and is a Christian so I am going to join the church, get baptized and give to the church so I can be saved. NO. You must understand God loves you, sent His Son, the Lord Jesus to suffer and die for your sins, paid you debt in full, was buried, rose again and was seen by hundreds of people so you could be saved and then do those things becasue you are saved, not to get saved.
What would you say
If you went up to the gates of heaven and they asked, “Why should we let you in, what would you say?” I have asked this hundreds upon hundreds of times and most answered, ” I do the best I can, I try to be a Christian, I don’t do anything really bad” and think they are saved for what they do. NO, you must believe what the Lord Jesus did, paid your way to heaven, trust that and receive the Lord Jesus as yuou Savior, just as a man says, “Yes, I will take this woman to be my wife” and get married so he can live with a woman and have chilren as God intended man to do.
Do it right now
If you really understand Christ died for your sins, paid your way in full and rose again, Tell God right now, I believe on the Lord Jesus as my Savior too and want to receive Him as my Savior so I can go to heaven. Write and tell me about it. God loves you and so do I, All Because of Calvary, Sumner
November 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Bill_from_defcon Says:
CT, …your lack of understanding is simply mind-boggling to me.
RU kidding me? MY lack of understanding?? I only called you a bullshit artist for trying to offer sympathy to a person we all know you regularly disrespect. That’s called hypocriscy, idiot. YOUR lack of comprehension is only superceded by your propensity for sticking your foot in your mouth.
Someone please tell DefCon to adjust the clock for posting times.
WTF?
Just WTF does that mean?
That is the most fu*ked up thing I ever heard.
Amarried man fu*ks the little girl? Jesus christ!? WTF WTF?
GATES OF HEAVEN????????????????? bill is fu*king CRAZY!
Fu*k U bill!!!!!!!
bill, take a pill!!!!!
You are not fit for human consumption.
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
I am happy that you do not have kids to beat on and feed all this bullshit too!! u funny guy!!!!!!!
u are are one fu*ked up individual.
bil is one sorry m fer. grow the fu*k up, bill. what the fu*k is your problem?
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
bill is an asshole
excuse me, did I say bill is an asshole?
Bye bye. I have bigger fish to fry!
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
everything I say I am going to post three or more times like bill
We should all do it like bill does it and then you will see what a cluster fu*k is like
bill=cluster fu*k
fu*k bill.
he hehe
I see that bill has no response whatsoever to my earlier posts, per benny.
I am not surprised. Empty headed fundy. Asshole.
dale your over the top (7)response(S) only reinforces the fact that you, not only believe in the God of Abraham, but you prove your belief by your overwhelming HATE for Him.
Sane, rational and normal people don’t hate someone they don’t believe exist.
Remember, the heart of the King is in the hand of the Lord.
November 6th, 2007 at 12:15 am
I’m ignoring you. Something you can’t seem to do to me.
Have a nice night. NOT
160
Ezra 8:10
of the descendants of Bani, Shelomith son of Josiphiah, and with him 160 men;
What would you say
What would you say
What would you say
If y