Friday Open Thread
It’s Friday, what’s going on out there?
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Thank Gargoyles it’s friday!
The real struggle is not between East and West, or capitalism and communism, but between education and propaganda.
-Martin Buber
ahhh, friday.
We should model ourselves in the likeness of the Sweeds. They know how to deal with these Christian nut jobs. Its to bad we have a constitution!
This week in Sweden, according to “The Local” (an English-language Swedish news agency), the centre-right coalition government decided to ban biology teachers from teaching creationism or intelligent design alongside evolution in independent schools, which includes Christian schools. There is already such a ban in place in its state government schools (called public schools in the U.S.).
U.K. and U.S. readers may be puzzled as to how the Swedish government can ban something from independent schools such as Christian schools. This is because independent schools in Sweden are not fully independent. While an independent school is privately owned, it receives a grant from the government, which can then determine the school’s curriculum.
thanks for the insight Lou.
Lou,
You said:
“They know how to deal with these Christian nut jobs. Its to bad we have a constitution!”
It is my opinion that if we did not have the constitution, and thus the first ammendment, our country would be akin to Iraq with all the christian sects engaged in civil war for domination.
….or we would be in a theocracy under biblical law- not good.
Lou,
For the first time in a long time, I agree with Dale. However, not on the same principles.
It looks like you don’t like Christian, period. That is one reason we have the 1st admemdment protecting the freedom of Religion.
Unfortunately, atheist are using it to get rid of all Christianity from the public square.
I don’t know about you but I would like to be able to choose whether or not I am a Christian or not. You also have the choice to become an athiest.
In the Islamic countries, they don’t have that choice. Either you become a Muslim or you die.
Not completely accurate, brian. There are in fact, Christians AND Jews not only in Iraq, but also Iran. AND China and Russia. Granted, they are minorities, granted, many are persecuted, and yes, some are killed by lawless criminals who escape prosecution (like in Egypt, for example) but your blanket assertion that in Islamic countries you don’t have a choice - convert or be executed is a gross exaggeration. It’s simply not the case.
Oh yeah, there are still Christians in Sudan and other Afro-Islamic nations as well.
CT,
But it is a choice that will get you killed. How many christians in Iran?
I would no more like to be a christian in Iran than I would like to be a homosexual in Iran. Life expectancy = 0
I would no more like to be a christian in Iran than I would like to be a snowball in the nythical hell.
Martydom + Christianity = front seat in heaven. Not much diff than the aspirations of Islamo-terrorists. Hmmm….I wonder where Osama got the idea?
Brian,
There is much confusion within the christian community which Old Testament admonishments shoud and should not be part of the dogma. Most christians embrace the ten commandments, yet many say that our country’s laws are based on the ten commandments.
We have Govenors who wish the Ten Commandments to be posted in cout houses, yet seven of the Ten Commandments are unconstitutional.
Which is it? Did the New Testament free us from the old law or not?
Jesus said, when asked if the old testament was still in force, “every jot and title.”
If the OT were in force then we should not be eating shell fish or pork.
What is it?
BTW, don’t touch a women in her period.
OT says to stone gay people. Adultresses. what is it?
u wanna stone gays, Brian?
dale - are you saying I sinned when I earned my redwings??
Wiki P says Christians formed 0.2% of total Iranian population in 2000. Not much - but they ARE there.
dale - forget Iran — how’d you like to be a gay guy in Colorado Springs?
For the answer, see Ted Haggard.
October 26th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
C.T. Says:
Martydom + Christianity = front seat in heaven. Not much diff than the aspirations of Islamo-terrorists. Hmmm….I wonder where Osama got the idea?
CT Which branch of Christianity promises a “front seat in heaven” if you are killed for your faith???
dale Says:
Brian,
…Which is it? Did the New Testament free us from the old law or not?
Jesus said, when asked if the old testament was still in force, “every jot and title.”
If the OT were in force then we should not be eating shell fish or pork.
What is it?
Brian, dale has ask a fair question of us who claim to be Christians. However, I’m thinking dale meant every jot and tittle not TITLE.
Also, I can only find two passages where Christ used the word tittle and if dale is talking about Matthew 5:18 or Luke 16:17 he is missing the point of those passages.
Back to dale’s point, “Did the New Testament free us from the old law or not?”
The tradition of martyrdom in Christianity is very crucial as Jesus is the father of martyrs. Jesus was never a passive person. He did not treat others badly when he was badly treated and he often did not accept what others said and did. In Christianity a martyr believes in an invisible reward.
http://passia.org/meetings/rsunit/2002/files/1-5-02-text.htm
From THE FIRST EPISTLE OF CLEMENT * TO THE CORINTHIANS
CHAPTER XLV.—IT IS THE PART OF THE WICKED TO VEX THE RIGHTEOUS.
The hateful, and those full of all wickedness, were roused to such a pitch of fury, that they inflicted torture on those who served God with a holy and blameless purpose [of heart], not knowing that the Most High is the Defender and Protector of all such as with a pure conscience venerate His all-excellent name; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. But they who with confidence endured [these things] are now heirs of glory and honour, and have been exalted and made illustrious by God in their memorial for ever and ever. Amen.
http://www.cryingvoice.com/Christian_martyrs/WhyPers1.html
The martyrs’ reward would be to rest with Christ
jts.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/47/1/279.pdf
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Not 70 virgins, but attractive to some, nonetheless. So, bill, if you chose beheading for not renouncing your faith should the Muslims that you fear so much take over the world, at least you’ll get to hang out with Jesus and shoot the shit. Whoop-dee-doo.
And as far as Matt. 5:18 is concerned — I disagree with you and I don’t think dale missed the point at all. I know YOU believe that Jesus “fulfilled” the law, therefore it doesn’t apply to you or your fellow fundies….so then - the question remains, why - if the law of the OT is fulfilled, do fundies refer to Deut. whenever they want to persecute a gay or lesbian person? or even someone who gets a tattoo or reads their horoscope? And why is it, the same people who pronounce judgement upon “sinners” fail to follow the admonishment of the Biblical Jesus who says “judge not, lest ye be judged” ?? Why do these Xtians eat pork and round the corners of their heads? You guys always want it both ways. You see the Bible as a bargain basement — to be picked through for the things that suit you and to ignore the things that don’t.
Hi everyone! I have missed you all. All moved in, unpacking, and walking around boxes.
Please say the BOYCOTT is still in effect?
Dale, you raise excellent points on the OT that highlights the hypocrisy I so resent in those who call themselves “Judeo-Christians.” Thanks. (but I doubt brian will answer.)
ALBA !! How the heck are ya? and no, I gave up on the boycott. too much energy– and as someone pointed out, sinks to the same low level as the boycotee.
Please say the BOYCOTT is still in effect?
yaq everyone tell her. LOL
Cherokee Indian Fatherhood
Do you know the legend of the Cherokee Indian youth’s rite of passage?
His dad takes him into the forest - blindfolded - and leaves him. He is required to sit on a stump the whole night and not take off the blindfold until the ray of sun shines through it. He is all by himself. He cannot cry out for help to anyone. Once he survives the night, he is a MAN.
He cannot tell the other boys of this experience. Each must come into his own manhood. The boy was terrified. He could hear all kinds of noise. Beasts were all around him. Maybe even some human would hurt him. The wind blew the grass and it shook his stump. But he sat stoically… .. never removing the blindfold. It was the only way he could become a man.
Finally, after a horrific night, sounds of the night disappeared. He could feel the warmth of the sun. He removed his blindfold.
It was then that he saw…
http://www.sumnerwemp.com/encouragement/encouragement2.htm
aw, shucks, bill. you so shentimental. you wike de way the wittle poem makes the shape of a bell. That’s so cute. you so shweet. I hope you have shweet wittle dweams tonite. yo wittle angel gonna watch over you and keep you safe from all the bad peoplesh. Jest like the wittle Footshteps poem, when you thought you wash walking all awone, but God wash carryin’ you the whole time. You wike fairwy tales, don’t cha?
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — A federal jury decided Friday that a woman convicted of killing an expectant mother and cutting the baby from her womb should receive the death penalty.
Now, who’d a thunk they’d find 12 non-believers on one jury in Kansas City, MO? I mean, what are the odds? You’d think there’d be at least ONE Christian in the bunch who, of course, because of their faith in the inerrant word of God — especially the almighty 1O commandments, would refuse to condemn a person to death. What Christian would deem themselves smarter that Jesus and refuse to allow a person to repent and be forgiven? Do Christians hate jury duty? Aren’t they supposed to render unto Caesar?
No - wait….that’s right. Many Christians don’t believe in a woman’s right to choose to abort because it is, to them, murder. But condemn a person to death by electrocution, hanging or torturous lethal injection, because they have been convinced by a prosecutor that the accused is guilty of a capital crime….no problem… let ‘em rot.
I’m good, C.T. Trying to catch up and still unpack! Hard to do at the same time. How bout them Sox, huh??
Hee hee!
OK, I opened the can, bring on the worms.
I will not boast until the fat lady sings…loud and shrill!!!
But I will do the Vonage (sucks) commercial:
Woo hoo,
woo hoo hoo.
Woo hoo
woo hoo hoo!
BoSox!!
I’m also seeing a good assortment of threads. It’ll take me a bit to catch up, but kudos to Eliza for catching on so quickly and keeping pace with this rowdy bunch.
People…please go back to the BOYCOTT; take Don’s advice and scroll on by the troll.
Maybe you’re right, Alba. but instead of boycott being the rallying cry — how about
SCROLL THE TROLL
I dunno, waddya think?
Rally cry!
Though I had to laugh (boisterously) at this from another thread:
“I guess that’s why I’m not religious and glad that Christianity is a relationship not a religion.”
I must laugh again… hahahahahahaha!
Sorry… it is great to be back!
(Re)Join the boycott and SCROLL THE TROLL!!
good to see you back, alba. glad the move is over, i’ll bet. i moved my daughter and grandson cross-country recently. it’s a real project, to say the least. in fact, i may be moving another family member soon, but this time i’ll have professional movers. whew!
Welcome back, Albatross!
And welcome to your new home. Are you in Rhode Island or Mass?
Hi Don. I am back in MA, my home state. Though I will keep a little niche in my heart for RI because I lived there so long, they are a strange breed!
ok, alba, i’m about done for the night. glad you’re back and ok. i’ll check in the morning and see what goodies bill left on the lawn overnight.
he don, nice to be on the same time as you for a change.
hey don
whaddya think, don - SCROLL THE TROLL
pretty catchy, huh?
Don coined it…I’m signing on!
Thanks, C.T. I hope that this is the last move I’ll make (in this life). If not, I also will be hiring professionals the next time around.
Hi C.T. I was away from my computer…doing laundry, sipping a bourbon on the rocks.
Yes, I like Scroll The Troll.
Let him waste his own time…not ours.
Welcome back home to MA, Albatross.
Yes, hiring moving professionals is always best. The price is worth it. And your family and friends will appreciate it too.
SCROLL THE TROLL iit is then. catch y’all later.
Vjack has a good article on a school district in CO pushing religion on the kids. They say it is voluntary, but as is pointed out, where a kid is in the minority, peer pressure usually wins out at that age.
Fortunately they are being challenged but this is a good one to watch and support.
This is the core interest of this site and you can read the article here.
I’m trying to gather some email addresses to send our support to the father involved in this.
If anyone finds one, please let us know!
Thanks for the link, Dale. This is one of those stories that just keeps happening again and again. So sad.
C.T. per October 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pm, made ya look.:)
Thanks, Dale. It is becoming par for the course it seems.
The story that follows (linked from Pandagon) is timely, I suppose. According to one fundie extremist, the CA fires are because of homosexuality and socially progressive positions.
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/24/james-hartline-san-diego-is-on-fire-because-of-the-homos/
I see that nothing has changed since I’ve been without satellite and internet.
fundie extremist? yes this person would be an example of an extremist.
Alba,
I read that one yesterday. That guy is dieing of AIDs. He definitely has issues.
The, I open my local paper to see on the inside of the front page an AP article:
Chicago Teen Fights Ill new Moment of Silence Law. LAW? How the hell did thaqt get through?
“What we object to is Christians passing a law that requires the public school teacher to stop teaching during instructional time, paid for by the taxpayers, so that Christians can pray,” Sherman told The Associated Press.
WTF? The fundies just cannot resist trying to impose their silly beliefs on everybody else.
Why do they have to have a state law that says the kids have to have a moment to pray- or whatever?
If I am a fundy and I want my kid to pray, I have countless hours of the days and weekends to pray. This is just another wedge issue. They do every thing they can to get something- anything- injected into the school. Next thing you know and they will be pushing to have THER prayers recited. This is unconstitutional
I repect religious people that practice their beliefs at home in church, anywhere they want, but when they want to foist it onto my kids in the public school, I will fight them. They are arrogant sons of bitches as far as I am concerned. They know if they get these kids accustomed to their rituals at an early age, it will be easier to control them later- make no mystake about it.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/26/america/NA-REL-US-Moment-of-Silence-Challenged.php
All,
As some of you may know, I am apolitical. I am a constitutionalist though, which makes it necessary at times to endorse and/ or support certain candidates based on their committment to upholding the constitution, as written by the founders.
Defcon has supported some very important letter writing campaigns and petitions in the past to help create awareness of political candidates who are anti-constitutionalists and in particular Theocrats.
On finding that Jindal was elected in LA, I started doing some checking on governors campaigns to find that we have a theocrat running for govenor of Mississippi and not one word of this has been mentioned here by Defcon manangement.
It seems that although some of the blogs have been pertinent, they have been rather irrelevent to the core interest of the blog.
Govenors Are Future Presidents, People.
I damn near perished when I just learned that one John Eaves is running in LA and reading his own site their is an article, “Who’s On Jesus’ Side in Mississippi?”
This article is absolutely anti-constitutional and it looks to me at first glance to be one of the most theocratic campaigns we have seen. Put on your tin foil hats because reading this may turn your brain to mush.
Should have said - Eaves is running in Mississippi.
Here we are worrying about petty school board officials and we have theocrats getting elected as govenors!
Somebody needs to get on the stick.
“Human Race Sudividing into Two Distinct Species”
“The human race will one day split into two separate species, an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures, presently referred to as Fundamentalist Christians, according to a top scientist.
100,000 years into the future, sexual selection will mean that two distinct breeds of human will have developed.”
We see the obvious beginnings of this in our resident troll, bill.
[The Link]
Dale, re: Eaves. I could not even get through that. “I’m a Democrat because I’m a Christian. My momma…” What a bunch of bullsh*t. Anyone who campaigns and actually spells out “momma” is a reject. It’s one thing to hear them talk, but to put “momma” in print…WTF? Is the guy 10 yrs old?
The reason it is important to scan the school boards and the politicians at the local level is to nip the problem in the bud, b4 they can run and be elected governor.
Agree with that, Alba. We need to learn their names early in the game.
Thanks.
The 1-4-5 on the fielder’s choice just picked off the rockies double…..hehe.
Momma! Yeah, he sucked up his belief system with his momma’s milk. And he never progressed beyond that in his adult life. What a pitiful excuse for someone who wants to lead their state, the most backward in the country.
He is appealing to the ignorance.
Hey! Dale and C.T. I am still catching up, and did not overlook the comments about the sox and the indians, and now of course the sox and the rockies.
Now, because I have no speakers hooked up to my computer as of today, please close your eyes and imagine the sound that would go with this emoticon :-p!!
Go SOX! woo hoo woo hoo hoo…
Easy girl, the Sox just stranded a couple guys on base. 0-0, top of the second. Rockies batter on base, hit with pitched ball.
The Rockies are claiming, under the radar, that they are destined by god to win this series.
And so, if they lose…does this mean God does not exist? Or could he just be angry with all the radical fanatics?
hee hee
Alba,
Are you being paid by Vonage?
Another inning down…
Vonage sucks. And when I tried to cancel them because they caused my connection to internet to go down, and caused phone calls to cut off midstream, they tried to charge me $100 bucks. Screw Vonage!!
But I love the jingo
Yes, Alba, if the Rockies do not win, then it is a reasonable assumption to conclude that god does not exist.
It’s god vs the Sox.
woo hoo
like that double?
Alba,
I was just talking with my wife about he days when we moved into a new place surrouded by all those boxes and stuff. While it was rather stressful at the time it does evoke fond memories. And now, years later, I think there are still a few boxes stashed here and there tha have never been unpacked!
Man on first and third.
He scores!
We score. Us devils!
Bases loaded…0 out…2 and 0
Uh oh, not looking good for god.
Dale, thanks for the vote of confidence. Here I am thinking all those boxes will be unpacked, repacked in an organized fashion, more “stuff” discarded, and a neat organized attic. You popped my bubble
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Bad bad call
Forget that paradigm, girl. You never actually complete the “move.” It is not a static event, but a dynamic event that lasts a lifetime.
Yo.
How true. How true. I’ll heed the words of wisdom and thank you. This way I will not feel discouragement.
That actually was not a bad call - he was tagged.
WOO HOO!!!!
Doesn’t matter. The devils (Sox- in this case) are in command.
5 - 0!! Can you believe this? Where on earth is Colorado’s God??
5-0. Not too shabby. God is going down.
Demons!
C.T. where are you, sweetie?? I’m gloating and the fat lady hasn’t sung yet!
Luv that dirty water…Boston you’re my home!
Perhaps those god boys were on a rocky mountain high?
doin a little dance
Makin a little love
gettin down tonight
They may crash like John Denver did?
Matsui strikes out on the mythical gyro-ball. Hmmm. priceless….
Dale, just a clue. Not only do we have all of our own belongings surrounding us from 20 + yrs, but we have moved into my father-in-law’s house with 53 yrs of “things” collected by him and my mother-in-law. My husband is one that has to look at everything down to a lid with no matching container b4 he can throw anything away. You are soooo right about it being a process. That in fact is an understatement. Thank goodness I have a general good sense of patience and tolerance.
What a game. nice strike!
I’m smellng shut-out……
Rocky mountain high…hmmm hmmm hmmm
Like I need John Denver songs running through my head! Thanks a lot (RIP, John, but get your music out of my head…crap…Sunshine, on my shoulders makes me happy…)
You suck, MR. Dale!
A shut-out would smell lovely!! I’m game!
Alba,
When my Father died, I inherited his entire library. That was four years ago and I am still sifting through all that stuff. Some of it is shared interests and becomes incorporated into my library. But, the rest resides in “limbo” so to speak, as I disseminate it all.
I have found a book trading group that circulates all those books and papers and they seem to be glad to have it.
Since my father always said that “A book is not doing any good unless somebody is reading it,” I am very happy that the parts of his library that I am not able to keep, are being circulated.
My son has just recieved his Private Pilot Licence and I was kidding wih him about his recieving his license from the “John Denver School of Areonautics.”
Amen, Dale. I am extremely funny about books. Talk about implanting the concept of sin!! My mother always told me it was terrible to discard a book. Even donating them is difficult for me. My inlaws, however were not book people (:-( ), but collector’s of all sorts of other fascinating things, as well as a whole lot of “You never know…” things. My mother-in-law was the kind of person who would say, “What color would you like, and 8 toasters would come down when someone said their toaster broke. I’m sure it will be a pleasure and a pain to go through this house. It stirs up all sorts of memories, and 10X’s more for my husband. This is his entire life in this house.
How come emoticons are no longer working?
Congrats to your son. I’ll speak to my angel friends about his safety. Kidding! (perhaps)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0329school_violence.asp
What does Ken ham have to say about violence in schools?
Who cares what Hamsterhead says, nitwit?
Alba,
Ok, I can see that you are working with the sensitivities of your husband and his family relics. That is a fine line that you walk. But, if htere is anything of value, keep it. The rest you must throw out, otherwise your kids will throw it out!
I might be intimidated if a 90 mph ball flew at my face that way.
I hear you, Dale. I say that to him constantly. My son is the same way. 17, and he had a hard time packing up his room because he could attach a memory to a matchbox. I say, take a picture, pack it, or throw it OUT!
I’m actually proud that I have maintained such patience over these months.
God must be guiding me, eh troll?
Not you, Dale! on that last statement.
You would have to have known my Dad. His passing was not unlike burning down a library.
Friday open:
For polyamorists, three’s not a crowd; it’s just the start
By Andrea Useem
(UNDATED) By day, he’s an Atlanta real estate investor, a member of a Methodist church, the son of a Southern Baptist pastor and a self-described political conservative. After hours, he’s known as “Mr. Big,” a columnist for PolyamoryOnline.org. His family — a wife and five children — lives with another couple, who have four children. Each husband is romantically involved with both wives, and vice versa. “Our family has to keep things behind a little bit of a veil,” he said, asking that his name not be used to help protect his children’s privacy. “Nobody wants to hear about your sex life at church.” That veil may be lifting — however slightly and slowly — as faith-minded polyamorists come out of the sexual closet. Mr. Big is just one of many polyamorists who say their multiple romantic relationships are intimately linked to their faith and values, even as their celebration of non-monogamy often earns a cool or hostile reception from others.
Interesting? Double standards? Christian?
You’ve said that before, Dale. I often wonder what my kids would do when confronted with my little “library.” Maybe they’d actually read the books, just to see where I gained my inspirations from. My husband and I have already had little spats about where the bookcases will go. (And how they will actually be filled with books, not just knick-knacks, though I am a collector of abandoned bird’s nests as well as books.)
This is why nobody pays attention to bill. the link he provided goes to an AIG story that concludes that violence in schools is the fault of children being taught evolution, because evolution supposedly teaches that violence is inevitable whereas the Bible explains that violence is the result of sin… the implication being, I suppose, if everyone were born-again Christians, our aversion to sin would prevent anyone from being violent. Somehow, I think the crusaders missed that message. And the KKK and the Operation Rescue nuts and on and on.
And I hope you’re having a good time watching the Bopox plague God’s Rockies, Alba.
Woo hoo woo hoo hoo! I am having fun watching the game, C.T.
I posted on another thread, I recently learned my Dad is terminally ill with
damn, Alba - that’s a drag.
Oh, yes. Evolution, homosexuality, atheism is all the cause of the evils in the world. That explains the heterosexual males in bathrooms, the heterosexual class 3 offenders around the block, all the troubles in the world. It is evolution in a nutshell.
In case anyone mistakes my post it is sarcasm and facetiousness at its finest.
Alba - do you live close to your dad?
I have no idea why my post cut. That happened b4.
Anyway, he has less than 6 wks, so this world series with Boston winning is all for him!
Wow, tell him a life-long Yankee fan is putting his cap away until next year, but is going to root like hell for the Sox to bring it home for him.
W/in 45 minutes, C.T. It’s a funny situation, but I am spending as much time as I can, and I have never held back from telling him how I feel about anything. There will be no regrets on my part, and though I know that he will have regrets, but I’ve already assured him that he was everything I ever could have hoped for in a Dad. I hope he can be at peace with that assurance.
Thanks C.T. It takes a lot for a Yankees fan to put the cap away. Much obliged!
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piss off loser.
Alba,
You have my condolenses and all of my sympathy
To experience the end days with a parent is the most emotional time of our lives.
Since you have just experienced one of the most stressful times (moving a houshold) it will be elementally more difficiult to help your Father through his last days.
Forget those boxes and take all good care of your Father.
I believe that the troll is the one who told us all that we should be compassionate with the mentally ill. I can we help you troll?
Thanks, Dale. Our family has had quite the year. Many times, I have exploded after trying to be the cheerleader for so long. I will not feel guilty for that, but will explode, explain myself, and then move right along.
It has been a challenge, this past year, but not yet anything that we can’t handle by being there for each other.
It is very funny, actually. I have expressed in the past one of my favorite times at DefCon is when the Founding Fathers and their intentions becomes the debate. My Dad is a major history buff. His favoritism lies with later times than the founding, but he and I have had many lengthy conversations/debates in this area, as well as present political situations. I will miss him.
Thanks, guys.
Alba — five years ago, my sister called me and asked me to come back east and help my mom care for my dad, whom the doctors had given a year to live. That was one month after 911 and the whole world was in a funk. I got almost 8 months with him and one night while helping him to bed, he collapsed as his heart failed and fell into my arms - dead. I feel like I am the luckiest man in the world to have been able to be there for him and my mom and especially on the night he passed.
I hope you’ll be able to act like each day is just another day — business as usual - right up to the end, so he can feel normal and not as a burden. I hope you’ll be able to help him go having a good time. The night my dad died, we watched a movie and shared a brandy. We did that nearly every night. You never know when the last one will be, so enjoy every one you get. I still have the bottle and every year on the anniversary of his death, I drink a shot for my dad.
I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met over the years who are completely estranged from their parents. In my opinion, there is nothing better than family and I’m extremely fortunate to have a good relationship with everyone in mine. I think what you said to your dad about being everything you hoped for was a beautiful thing and brought tears to my eyes. Stay up.
Sorry, troll, that should say how can we help you? You are indeed a nut case who has taken up residence here.
Alba,
bill mocks himself. He has never, never had any commentor here, be them christian or otherwise, agree with him.
He’s lunatic fringe. It get’s funnier all the time.
CT,
Thank you for relating your experience and wisdom. Your experience is most compelling.
Thank you, friend.
Uh-oh. The Rockies are moving.
Bill - that last little bit of bullshit you stuck in the middle of this conversation between dale, alba and me was the last straw. You hypocritical low-life piece of shit.
Thanks, C.T.
The Rockies are Colorado High. The cold is getting to them. They can’t touch the Sox. Of course, Jesus could always come back in the middle of the 7th and rapture them all away and then they could say they didn’t lose.
what- what
C.T. re: your 11:14: the troll has proven, like many of his kind, that hypocrisy shines likes the brightest sunny day. The difference - a warm sunny day makes one feel good, but a Christian hypocrite makes one want to puke.
It will be interesting to watch the Rockies explain “God’s will” if and when they lose.
For Christ’s sake it’s baseball! Like God wouldn’t have more important things to worry about…
So much for the shut-out, eh, Dale? Would have been nice, for me, anyway, but oh, well. A win will suffice.
C.T. 11:17, rapture - hysterical!
pitcher got lucky. no….jesus made the ball go right past the batter by causing a light to flash in his eyes for a moment.
All rise for God Bless America.
For those that don’t know, Phillip Bailly is the lead singer for Earth, Wind and Fire
Earth, Wind, and Fire still sucks!
I much prefer “Take me out to the ballgame.”
I’m sick of the goofy patriotism.
You know, I actually would have gotten out of my seat if they had gotten Jim Morrison to do it!
No you dit-int, Alba.
EW&F were a great band back in the day. You must be too young to remember.
And I would also be called a “true believer.”
Yep, Take Me Out to the BallGame and a good old fashioned Kayem hotdog would be just fine.
Perhaps, C.T. yob 1965.
The way things are going, they’re going to make us say the pledge of allegience, kiss a cross and swear on a Bible just to cast a vote in an election.
“dt-int” - LOL! Too funny.
I’m sorry. Sincerely. No offense intended. EW&F was just never my cup of tea.
What did they do to matsui, feed him extra wasabi.
Actually, alba, they should alot better on a cup of bourbon.
kayem hotdog???
Then they’d be locking me up for protesting that shit.
Shit, shit, shit. Are the Sox getting cocky? I don’t like this.
NYC = Sabrett and/or Nathans hotdogs
You do not know Kayem hotdogs???
Nathan’s ok. Hebrew National ok.
Kayem good hot dog!!
C.T. you said you came from CA, right? Who was the pro team in the 50’s?
OMFG!
Did you just see that???
Please, do not let those cretins win this game.
Who you rooting for Dale??
NJ, Alba. went to the left coast in the 70s after being raised a Yankee and NY Giants fan. Don’t know about cali in the 50s. I mean, the Brooklyn Dodgers went to L.A. ‘57, but I don’t know much else.
why aren’t they taking the pitcher out???
like, maybe one inning ago. stop letting him pitch.
ok, double play coming up.
Are they cheering , “Let’s go Jesus?”
I guess we’re taking advantage of the blog alba. maybe we shouldn’t use it for instant messaging.
Kayem pronounced Ki-yem.
Seriously, you’ve never heard of Kayem hotdogs?
I am getting anxious about his game.
Nope, are they a MA thing? don’t get anxious. Obviously Franconia has confidence in Oki to let him pitch his way out of this.
When no one is here, we’re not taking advantage of the blog
.
Thank you for putting someone in his place though.
I ask about CA because I recently learned that my Dad played pro for CA in the 50’s, but my son and I haven’t been able to find much online. I thought I had recalled you saying you were from there for a while, though I also remembered NJ. Thanks anyway. I’ll find out more.
I wonder how many of these Rocky fans are fundie evangicals from Colorado Springs.
That’s KK. One more and the inning is over.
Yes, I guess Kayem is a New England thing.
http://www.kayem.com/about/index.htm
I’m getting nauseous, here.
Alba - check out this link. It talks about the California League pro baseball teams in the 40s and 50s. Maybe you’ll find something there.
Click here: California League: About
try this
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/about/page.jsp?ymd=20061213&content_id=148495&vkey=about_l110&fext=.jsp&sid=l110
alba - I checked the store locator, but I guess I can’t get them in NJ. I’ll look for them the next time I head up your way.
looks like we got us a nail biter, alba
feel any better, now, alba?
OK, I’ve got five nails left…and I’m feeling a little better now…I think…
Don’t worry. If they win three in a row, will still have to go back to Boston……….
Ahhh, Boston.
Manny’s up.
The Seculars (Boston) vs. the Funies (Rockies.)
The winner of this series will determine the age old god myth …or not……..
The Rockies pray a lot.
Of course we know that prayer doesn’t work so, the Sox have an even chanch against god’s tem.
Well dale.. if god’s team loses, then they say that they have been selected for their character….. kewl.
I love cometitors that think that way, because they are easy mkarks…..
please forgive my bad spelling. I’m shooting from the hip here.
Alba,
This is a good game….. I’m holding my breath too………
Alba,
It is Good to see you back in to the “mix.”
Religious Dignitaries: Violence in God’s Name is ‘Blasphemy’
Violence committed in God’s name is “blasphemy,” dignitaries of the world’s main religions said as they wrapped up a “peace summit” in Naples on Tuesday, according to a story carried by Agence France-Presse. “We can say with more emphasis than before that whoever uses God’s name to hate others, to commit violent acts, to make war, blasphemes the name of God,” the some 300 Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu leaders and political figures said in a joint declaration. The three-day summit on the theme “A World Without Violence: Faiths and Cultures in Dialogue,” is an annual event organized by the Rome-based lay Catholic community Sant’Egidio.
Tell Ken Ham, Dr. Dobson, Pat Robertson, etc, to stick this statement up their asses, as they and his ilk are well-known for the diversity that they cause. Diversity creates hatred toward others. Poor intolerant, egotistical, radical fundamentalists - you reap what you sow.
Thanks, Dale. It is good to be back!
OK I am down to 4 1/2 nails. I have NEVER been a nail biter?!
I watched the Hitchens/D’Souza debate replayed on C-SPAN2 tonight. I”m glad I caught it, because the way I had read it characterized, people were sounding like Dinesh got the upper hand. Nothing could be further from the truth. DD is so full of balogna, it’s laughable. I really get sick of these Christian apologists who compoletely ignore the established facts of science and the recorded truths of history when they attempt to justify their mythology. It almost makes me gag. Dinesh is a complete loser.
event organized by the Rome-based lay Catholic community Sant’Egidio is all I have to hear to know it’s a bunch of feel-good bullshit and whole lot of preaching to the choir. GMWAS
Once again….the inning is over and the Rockies are crumbling.
C.T., earlier, Dale and I were talking about the difficulty of giving up books. When cleaning out a bookcase, I came across I book I had by D’Souza. (??) I had no difficulty placing him in the trash pile!
I’ll have to see if I can catch the show you refer to, now that I have cable back. I’ve heard many instances where it is reported that D’Souza had the upper hand, though I’ve not always agreed with that assessment.
Yes, but overall their statement is good. The divisiveness by the various religions is what has to stop. Of course, it has to be stopped without the coerciveness of bringing folks under one’s “own umbrella.”
Live and let live.
Live free or die.
Woo hoo. Boston scored another!
Conservatives left without a voice on ‘The View’
By Joanna Weiss, Boston Globe Staff | October 25, 2007
Who is America’s most dangerous conservative?
Elisabeth Hasselbeck, the apple-cheeked blonde with the football-player husband, consistently draws a brand of hatred from the left that Hillary Clinton generates from the right; “screechmonger” is one of the more printable slurs hurled at her from the blogosphere. Barry Manilow has called her “offensive.” Alicia Silverstone once refused to touch her. And that an America’s sweetheart-type would generate such vitriol says a lot about the state of debate in a polarized country.
Everytime that fool opened his mouth I wanted to jump up and slap the taste out of his mouth. He’s cocky, arrogant and full of shit.
I still consider Pat Robertson one of the most dangerous conservatives in America. I’ve added Dobson, Phelps, and a slew of other to the list.
C.T. ? Whom are you referring to?
I’m taling about D’Souza….not that mutha that just stuck in one of his typical non sequitors.
D’Souza?
LOL
The most dangerous people are always unknown. that’s part of what makes them so dangerous. but you can bet your last dollar, most of them are rich, white, and politically connected to both parties.
actually, any christian apologist. they make me puke.
Actually, Pat Robertson was always a bit too cartoonish in his personna.
He was/ is like a parody of ignorance,
Most people recognize that.
sorry, i’m carrying on two different topics at once. Christian apologist = bad
most dangerous people = incognito
not enough. too late. won’t matter. rockies are done
pat robertson is senile. i’ll bet he can’t tie his own shoes.
C.T. Says:
Bill - that last little bit of bullshit you stuck in the middle of this conversation between dale, alba and me was the last straw…
Can you spell, E m p t y t h r e a t ?
CT, i see you and dale are both very brave.
it’s over
You’re right, C.T., but all the knowns were once the unknowns. Then there are the not so well known who rise to fame quickly and just as quickly fall on their faces (Swaggart, Haggard, and many more.)
YAY!!!! They won! 4 hrs 19 minutes - a record breaker.
Nil Bill? Can you spell fu*k off?
typical non sequitors…
LOL, its an open thread, LOLOLOL@LOLOLOL
I can spell Albatross, H E A R T L E S S M O N S T E R.
:)
I see you and the roach both have a massive vocabulary. Nite defeated.
Pat Robertson was senile since he was 25 years old. That was obvious to everybody except the people he conned into sending him all that money to buy his gold mine in south africa, wh… don’t get me started…
bill, I don’t have to waste time threatening you. you are doomed. you are your own worst enemy. you have no life, no friends and probably, if you have a family, they think you’ve got a couple of loose screws — they’re just afraid to tell you because you’d probably go off. you hide in your room and spend hours interrupting and disrupting this site with your garbage quotes from AIG. you should get help but you probably think you’re right and everyone else is wrong. Not one single person on this site supports you, agrees with you and is glad you’re here. you contribute NOTHING of value. You don’t even comprehend the verses of Proverbs that you insist on posting - as if they had anything to do with this site.
And now, while I go to bed happy the the Sox won for Alba’s father’s sake, you can spend the next few hours thinking of all kinds of bullshit to say in response to this post. If you ever learn to communicate, you should start by apologizing to Alba for your callous interjection in the middle of a conversation about the eminent death of her father, you heartless bastard.
You put all your eggs into your little fundamentalist Christian basket. Well, what you’ve got is a bunch of rotten eggs…just like your rotten little brain.
It is good to be back. I think they are diamond mines in S. Africa, Dale. Whatever, diamonds, gold. They keep right on enriching the bastard’s life without batting an eye.
It turns out that bill is also a coward. He made a link that I followed to find that it led to….nothing. Typical for these coward fundamentsalist christians. They can’t do anything on their own. They always have to believe their buddies will be there behind them.. They shut up when they find out that is not the case.
Alba,
It is well poven. The Priestcraft have a hold on their adherrents and they will do anything to keep them under their control…..
A yearlong investigation of televangelist Pat Robertson’s activities in Africa is now over, but state officials are sitting on the final report pending a review by attorneys, reports the Virginian-Pilot newspaper. The probe focused on possible inappropriate activities involving Robertson’s Operation Blessing outreach, and a private corporation he operated known as the African Development Co. Based in Zaire, the firm was established by Robertson during the rule of the late dictator Mobutu Sese Seko. The two men established close ties, and Mobutu wined and dined Robertson during one visit to the country; ADC also received vast forestry and mineral concessions, but the diamond mining operation eventually went bankrupt. Mobutu, after a quarter-century of iron fisted rule, died last year in exile from cancer. He left Zaire bankrupt and impoverished, and since 1994 had even been considered persona non grata in the United States.
In April, 1997 two pilots who worked for Operation Blessing charged that planes linked to Robertson and his ministry flew mostly to haul equipment for ADC’s private diamond operation. Robert Hinkle, the chief pilot told reporter Bill Sizemore that of about 40 flights within Zaire during the half-year period he was there, “Only one or at most two” were related to the humanitarian mission of Operation Blessing. The rest were “mining-related.”
“We got over there and we had ‘Operation Blessing’ painted on the tails of the airplanes, Hinkle told the Virginian-Pilot, “but we were doing no humanitarian relief at all. We were just supplying the miners and flying the dredges from Kinshasa out to Tdshikapa.”
http://www.skeptictank.org/robem2.htm
Alba,
I can almost hear you taking a deep breath and settling bak into your new digs…
Thanks, C.T. It was nice of you. But I don’t expect apologies from people like Bill. You are right; I have said it to him b4. The people around him are pathetic for not reaching out to help. He is so clearly in need.
But my saying this…this makes me a “heartless monster” who “makes fun” of the mentally ill.
Thanks again.
One scam artist after another — starting with Saul/Paul and continuing century after century right on up to today. Like P.T. Barnum said, “there’s a sucker born every day.”
for the record, according to this site:
http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html
P.T. didn’t actually say that, but rather a competitor of his. Regardless - the point remains
CT,
There is ample evidence of the devious plots of Pat Robertson, yet, they have not attracked the attention of Law Dudes. Why? I do not knoe.
he doesn’t need help, he needs his internet connection disconnected.
:)
I am breathing a sigh, Dale. I have said before - I root for my teams, not out of any love for the sport, but well, because they’re the home teams. I know Boston won in ‘04, but before that, wasn’t it like 8o years or something? This year, I want them to win. This is the last year my Dad will see. He is watching all MA and NE teams very closely, and they’re doing well. This keeps his spirits up, and therefore, mine as well.
Thanks again, to you and C.T. I have a good support system, but it is nice to be back and see everyone here. I am now heading off to bed with 4 1/2 fingernails remaining, but a smile on my face.
money talks, dale and the people running Robertson’