Dog Disproves Creationsim
According to a new study out of the University of Manchester in England, St. Bernard dogs have disproved the creationism theory:
Biologists from the University of Manchester say that changes to the skull shape of St Bernards over the last 120 years “can only be explained” via evolution and natural selection.
The research team analysed arrived at their findings by examining 47 St Bernard skulls donated to the National History Museum in Berne by Swiss breeders.
They claim that modern dogs have much broader skulls and more pronounced ridges, while a steeper angle is evident between their nose and foreheads.
Is this some kind of Joke?
How would this disprove creationism? Even creationists acknowledge small changes over time.
There is vast and extensive evidence for a very old earth and evolution, but I’m not seeing where this is much proof of anything.
Nothing can “disprove” creationism. For one, science is not in the business of disproving things outright. Being able to “disprove” is a fallacy. For two, creationists are slippery, dishonest, manipulative people who will always be able to shift their stance when new evidence confounds their fantastical claims.
I think it doesn’t “disprove evolution” as much as it reinforces the theory of natural selection and evolution.
Sorry, make that “disprove CREATIONISM”.
(Note to self…preview is our friend)
The Discovery institute is upset about the Orielly/ Stein interview and have released a statement that states “Intelligent Design is not Creationism.”
Even though the DI shot themselves in the foot over this at the Dover trial, they still try to make people think they are not religiously motivated, which everybody knows is a lie.
The funny part is how the DI has disowned the fundamentalist creationists. The DI doesn’t want to be identified as fundies, but they want the donations from the fundamentalists. In effect, they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth (remember the “Wedge Document?)
Anyhow, you can read all the cool stuff over at Panda’s Thumb.
Christian College Embraces Romney Bid
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 24, 2007
Filed at 12:32 p.m. ET
GREENVILLE, S.C. (AP) — Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign has been embraced in a most unlikely place: at Bob Jones University, the influential Christian college that teaches that his Mormon church is a cult.
In early voting South Carolina, Romney has picked up support among the evangelicals and social conservatives who are a political force.
Last week, Romney won the endorsements of Bob Jones III and Robert Taylor, the founder’s grandson and a top dean respectively here at Bob Jones University.
He also gained the backing of Don Wilton, the immediate past president of the South Carolina Baptist Convention and pastor of a nearby megachurch, as well as Dr. John Willke, a founder and past president of the National Right to Life Committee.
During the same one-week period, the former Massachusetts governor eked out a win in a straw poll at the socially conservative Values Voter Summit in Washington.
Taken together, the endorsements and straw poll victory show that while evangelicals may not agree with the tenets of his Mormon faith, or even the standing of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a Christian faith, some have decided to heed Romney’s request for support.
They are looking at his apple-cheeked family and clean-living lifestyle and finding comfort in his pledge to support their social philosophy should he become president.
That’s an achievement for a candidate who embraced abortion rights as recently as November 2004. He now says he has changed his mind and wants to overturn the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.
read the rest here:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Romney-Evangelicals.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Right on, Lynne.
I can contemplate that Nature, itself, is an “Intelligent designer”.
Is that possibly within the contemplation of The Discovery Institute?
Or , does DI necessarily contemplate only a theistic designer?
Elizabeth, you forgot to use your question mark?
I thought there was some unusual and intuitive reason why I like my dog so much!!! He is an example of disproving creataionism!!
I just went out and proudly put on: “Dog is my Co-Pilot” bumper sticker.
Then Alex says:
“Nothing can “disprove” creationism. For one, science is not in the business of disproving things outright. Being able to “disprove” is a fallacy. For two, creationists are slippery, dishonest, manipulative people who will always be able to shift their stance when new evidence confounds their fantastical claims. ”
Now I feel kind of foolish and will go take the bumper sticker off the truck..
One caveat: My dog is still smarter than most creationists!!!!
Hey, Wax..keep the bunper sticker…it’s cool! As for your dog being smarter than most creationists, I would go so far as to say that MOST animals are smarter than most creationists.
Actually, dogs are the most successful mammals on the earth. They have learned how to totally exploit humans to their own advantage, plus 98% of them never have to work.
But trust me, when you come home and they come running wagging their tails and act like they are happy to see you, it is only because they know they are going to get fed.
LD,
Natural Selection is not intelligent. It merely favors certain traits that help the survival of an otherwise imperfect organism. It has left us with all kinds of maladies. God supposedly made us in his own image. Does he have a bad back from walking upright too?
A truely omnipotent intelligent designer could have done a much better job.
CT,
If you are around I know you’ll like to hear that god is managing the Colorado Rockies.
The chief exec and manager are both born agains and they have been recruiting born agains for the team. It is also very curious that there are only like three non-whites on the team. Some of the ex-players have been saying that some of the present players are shamed into going along with this and they are encouraged to attend the prayer meetings every week.
I cannot get the link I had on this to work but I will try to find the article which broke this in Salon, I think.
dale Says:
Actually, dogs are the most successful mammals on the earth. They have learned how to totally exploit humans to their own advantage, plus 98% of them never have to work.
But trust me, when you come home and they come running wagging their tails and act like they are happy to see you, it is only because they know they are going to get fed.
On this one Dale, you are wrong!!! I am God, until I run out of food. Then I better go get food. If I cannot find food, then I am food.
Can I not trust anyone?? Will I have to assume responsibility for myself before I can offer good will to man?? If I cannot trust my dog; at least there is Pat Condell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly62n36nn0k&sdig=1
this link is to a debate between Chrisopher Hitchens and Dinesh Bugaboo and it’s worth watching. I’ll reserve my opinion unitl later.
http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/10/24/the-dsouza-hitchens-debate-you-be-the-judge/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
actually, the link above is to an excerpt on AOL. Below is the link to the entire debate.
Click here: D’Souza-Hitchens Debate
sorry — try this:
http://www.tkc.edu/debate/
dale- once again, God has a wicked sense of humor. Top of the 7th and Colorado is DOWN 1 - 13. The question on everybody’s lips…..will the Rockies resurrect?
I guess God had better things to do on Wed night than pay attention to baseball.
It’s hysterical when athletes thank The Lord Jesus in press interviews.
As if Jesus gives a shit about their antics.
Maybe God wanted the Red Sox to win because he’s pissed at the asshole fundie Rockies team and manager.
Wax,
Of course, I was being facetious, but I usually get someone to declare that cats are the most successful species, or viruses, of which neither one comes when you call them!
Dale, you are incorrect about cats not coming when you call them. My cat, Boots, always comes when I call him. (Of course, he also likes to play “fetch”…maybe he’s a dog trapped in a cat’s body?
)
Wow, Lynne, a trans-specied animal. Does he walk on a leash and bark, too — or just dream about it?
je-zeus does NOT give a shit about ANYTHING or ANYONE; he’s dead, dried and withered—just like the billions of other hominids who have passed this way!
“Wow, Lynne, a trans-specied animal. ”
We may be talking Chimera here.
yahweh,
I plan to live forever- so far so good!
I trained the cat…I wish I could get the training to take on Little Britches, but, so far, it ain’t working all that well.
yah, I noticed you are willing to admit That Christ as a historical reality.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:13 am
yah Says:
There’s a myth that time is money. In fact, time is more precious than money. It’s a nonrenewable resource. Once you’ve spent it, and if you’ve spent it badly, it’s gone forever.
Neil Fiore
think about that last quote, bill, every time you post and repost the same thing over and over and over.
Our ‘lil troll has wasted many hours of his time posting here, trying to disrupt this site.
I waste no time reading his crap. I scroll on by.
All the time wasted is his own.
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Bill - read this slowly and let it sink in (it was your post, btw)
There’s a myth that time is money. In fact, time is more precious than money. It’s a nonrenewable resource. Once you’ve spent it, and if you’ve spent it badly, it’s gone forever.
Neil Fiore
You have spent way more time than you probably can afford. Keep it up, if you want the world to see you go mentally bankrupt.
AIG is totally discredited. They are lunatic fringe elements of the fundamentalist religious right theocracy elements of our society, doomed to extinction by intellectually depraved individuals like bill, the lying ass hat.
Amen.
watch what you say, Alba. bill might accuse you of being a hypocrite for saying amen since he accuses you of being a “Christophobe” which is REALLY hilarious.
LOL! I have no phobia of Christ!
It’s the Christofanatics that truly frighten me!
They can all kiss my shiney white ass, alba.
We can moon them together, C.T.! Don and I were going to run naked through the streets in celebration of something or other that never came to be (I think we both knew that would be the outcome b4 swearing to run naked through the streets!)
Alba….I’ll run naked thru the streets for ANY reason!!!
Hopefully, I won’t trip over a nipple.
Or….
LOL!
Albatross…the Sox won!
Wanna run naked thru the streets with me?
You can get my email addreaa from Dale.
Too cold out! Maybe in the spring, Don!
OK, Albatross…see ya then!
Elizabeth, since you have been so soundly refuted by your own cronies here at the con, I would like to DEMAND you retract the headline of this thread “Dog Disproves Creationism” or at the very least I will accept the addition of a question mark to the end of the headline making it Dog Disproves Creationism?
Oh by the way sweetie, Creationism is spelled with an “ism”.
:)
liz i’m still waiting
bill you are the LAST fu*king person to correct anyone’s spelling.
this is just the most recent example of bill’s inability to spell correctly:
October 30th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Bill_from_defcon Says:
What brothers you about the video, dale does it brother you that…..
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I mean, come on, bill — what BROTHERS you???
bill - you are the perfect example of how when someone is given enough rope, they usually hang themselves.
thank you ct
btw liz Creationsim is I S M
Fundamentalism is I S M, also.
Assholeism also is.
heartless,
look at the title of this thread, it reads, Dog Disproves Creationsim. Lizzy misspelled Creationism.
I thanked CT for pointing out my spelling error and pointed out elizabeth’s. You of course can’t or won’t read and therefore had no clue.
BTW, evolutionism is an ism, too. he he he
I read the whole thread.
I agree with the other here who say that you are the last person on the planet who should be correcting another’s grammatical or spelling errors.
“Evolutionism” is a term “created” by creationists to try to place their religious ideology on a level playing field with scientific inquiry. The connection to religiosity is even more apparent when they add the word atheistic in front of the word evolutionism in a further attempt to disparage science, as if evolution has anything to do with religion at all.
NO, “Evolutionism” is a belief system that mistakenly tries to use scientific inquiry to prove that God does not exist. Which it can’t.
WRONG AGAIN, bill…..as usual.
Ct is popeaphobic and CHRISTIPHOBIC. how sad.
C.T. this and C.T. that — Bill - get a fu*king life.
Ct are you trying to be the last one to post on each thread. ha ha
Only so you don’t.
The theory of evolution does not even attempt to address the existence of God.
Only stupid asswipes like bill whine that it does.
Don Rettmann Says:
The theory of evolution does not even attempt to address the existence of God.
Right, Hey dale did you hear this?
Dog disproves Evolutionism?
Bill disproves rational thinking.
Dog Disproves Creationism…
That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read.
This site has no creditability, none.
Who made you the authority on credibility, Lawrence?
LOL, The fact is, even dale claims the statement is false. ha ha ha.
Once again, bill - you just proved yourself to be the liar that dale has pronounced you to be. Dale never claimed that “this site has no credibility…” Doesn’t your mythology teach you that God hates ALL liars??
Bye, Lawrence.
HA HA HA,
CT try to keep up.
Bill_from_defcon Says:
LOL, The fact is, even dale claims the statement is false. /// CT what statement?????
Dog Disproves Creationism…
Dog Disproves Creationism…
Dog Disproves Creationism…
ha, ha, ha.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:46 am
dale Says:
Is this some kind of Joke?
How would this disprove creationism? Even creationists acknowledge small changes over time.
There is vast and extensive evidence for a very old earth and evolution, but I’m not seeing where this is much proof of anything.
Once again, CT- you just proved yourself to be BUSTED. L@L
BTW, Lawerence is right, dogs DON’T DISPROVE anything and defcon as lost any credibility they may have once try to have.
Try again, bill
November 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Lawrence Says:
This site has no creditability, none.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:52 am
C.T. Says:
Who made you the authority on credibility, Lawrence?
November 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Bill_from_defcon Says:
LOL, The fact is, even dale claims the statement is false. ha ha ha. (You never said WHICH statement, but at the time, I was talking about credibilty, bill. get it?)
November 7th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
C.T. Says:
Once again, bill - you just proved yourself to be the liar that dale has pronounced you to be. Dale never claimed that “this site has no credibility…”
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Now, if you want to twist this into you being right somehow and me being busted, you can do whatever you want, obviously, but it means nothing. If you meant the Dog Disproves Creationism statement, you should have said so. Besides, I don’t know what all your glee is about. The bottom line to his thread is the fact that it is Creationism that has no credibility — something that Defcon definitely possesses and you shall never.
I miss Lawrence.
I wonder if he has nice legs?
CT why are you lying. why did you leave you the most important part of Lawrence’s post. Don’t you know it is a sin to lie. ha ha ha.
November 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Lawrence Says:
Dog Disproves Creationism…
That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read.
This site has no creditability, none.
CT Busted lying AGAIN. HE HE HE
That made absolutely no sense at all, bill.
“That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read.” Great quote - wrong application. That quote is a perfectly succinct observation of bil’s posts.
(that should keep you busy for a couple of hours as you carefully copy and paste and consider and reconside, and cut and type and read and think and try to figure out the best way to give a witty and biting retort)
November 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
C.T. Says:
That made absolutely no sense at all, bill.
What part doesn’t make sense, the part where I expose your lie in which YOU left off part of Lawrence 5:45 pm post or the part where you discovered lying is a SIN, or the part where you get busted.
Funny That.
I still miss Lawrence.
Funny that you think you’ve accomplished anything or proven anything or made any point.
DON, ct claims you aren’t making any points with him???
bill, you moron, you know damn well I was talking to you. Don makes me laugh. Don makes good points. I value Don’s opinion. YOU are worthless.
Thanks, C.T.
Ditto to you.
YOU CAN’T EVEN IGNORE ME.
I also can’t ignore the fact that shit stinks.
I see elizabath has to get up early because of… hahaha
ack… (the sound of bill choking)
The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that dogs DONOT disprove Creation.
No…but you do, bill.
No intelligent designer would have created the likes of you.
bill - if god made you in his image he is either blind or has a perverted sense of humor.
The one thing everyone STILL seems to agree on is that dogs DO NOT disprove Creation.
And NOTHING can or ever will PROVE creationism, ESPECIALLY the ancient Mesopotamian myth recycled as the book of Genesis.
I once had a dog that tried to show me his proof against creationism.
But I couldn’t understand him.
He also tried to teach me how to type.
I never was able to pick that up either.
He gave up on me.